Morality without a deity.

@kellyjay said
You don't understand if all compasses point in every direction, than none of them point to anything specific! If there isn't a direction that matters, none are better than the next.

You should campaign to promote "specific" things that you believe are "better than the next".

@kellyjay said
there has to be some way to compare one from the other to show one is better than, if that isn't possible, back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love

You should use your moral compass "to compare one from the other to show one is better".

@kellyjay said
A guided process is not evolution, that is creation.

I disagree. I don't think "creation" and "evolution" are incompatible.

@kellyjay said
back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love.

Who has said that the life of a cockroach is "equal in value to [me] and everyone [I] love"? Who said this?

@kellyjay said
I believe God created all of us in His image, I'm not the one with the belief that all life sprang up from pond scum or something else.

Neither of us knows how "life sprang up".

@kellyjay said
To do that there has to be some way to compare one from the other to show one is better than, if that isn't possible, back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love. Some religions of man even agree with that, but that pushes one view over another, and evolutionary thought cannot make that judgment call, can it?

KellyJay: To do that there has to be some way to compare one from the other to show one is better than, if that isn't possible, back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love.

Are your religious beliefs the only thing enabling you to differentiate between your fellow humans and cockroaches, morally speaking, and in terms of who you love?

@kellyjay said
Why ask me questions you post the answers for imbedded in them?

You reaching for understanding about something just ask?

I asked you 4 questions.
Each required a Y or N.
Yet you prefer typing 20 words without answering.

Answer the questions.

@fmf said
I disagree. I don't think "creation" and "evolution" are incompatible.

Obviously species can 'evolve' once they have been created.

@wolfgang59 said
I asked you 4 questions.
Each required a Y or N.
Yet you prefer typing 20 words without answering.

Answer the questions.

I answered those questions before you asked them, "Bearing in mind..."

We live in a world where we have to deal with the consequence of our actions, and the consequences of other's actions too. We were given a perfect world and we ruined it by our selfishness. If you are going to hold God accountable for the things in scripture you should take in all of it for the answers. Pain and suffering in this life was not part of the original design, but came due to sin and multiplied due to our nature so things got worse.

I'm sorry about you daughter, we lost one a year after her birth. Not a thing I'd wish on anyone.

@fmf said
I disagree. I don't think "creation" and "evolution" are incompatible.

Slow creation is a guided process, evolution by Darwin isn't guided. You cannot have God or something else guiding the process, that takes away from all of the natural unguided processes that are supposed to be doing it all without any help.

@fmf said
KellyJay: To do that there has to be some way to compare one from the other to show one is better than, if that isn't possible, back to roach who also has its one life to live equal in value to your and everyone you love.

Are your religious beliefs the only thing enabling you to differentiate between your fellow humans and cockroaches, morally speaking, and in terms of who you love?

I believe we are all made in the image of God, and as we move through eternity we will be progressing forever with the timeless creator. Each person is valuable to the nth degree, and as such everyone of us should be treated with respect and love.

Evolution is a belief of pond scum or some other starting place that takes dead lifeless material and alters it through time to get all the life we see today. Life lives and dies, nothing special it happens to all life, there is really no such thing as progress only survival of the fittest. If a species gets a life alteration through mutation and kills it all off it is simply part of the process, nothing good or bad.

Evolution doesn't have favorites, there is no purpose, therefore one life isn't any more special then the next. No grand design, you and the cockroach are of equal value (none in the grand scheme of things) as the next mutation could kill off the species or help it survive, and that would be done without any goal or favorites in mind. You are just an animal that happens to be alive due to chance, nothing special about you.

@fmf said
I don't think "all opinions are equal". I have no doubt you think your opinions about various issues are more morally sound than mine. I have never said I believe "all opinions are equal". Whether X is better than Y in terms of right and wrong is a matter for our moral compasses.

Who are you to judge saying one thing is better than the next if evolutionary processes are true? Better and worse require a standard that everything is judged by, if there is such a standard than it does matter what all of the compasses are pointing too! If you are not pointing towards the better you are worse, than that would mean that not all views are equal!

@kellyjay said
Slow creation is a guided process, evolution by Darwin isn't guided. You cannot have God or something else guiding the process, that takes away from all of the natural unguided processes that are supposed to be doing it all without any help.

I disagree. I don't think "creation" and "evolution" are incompatible. If you think the world is 6,000+ years old and was created in 6 days, good for you. Darwin died over 130 years ago and isn't here to argue with you about your YEC take on what "evolution" is. I see no incompatibility between "creation" and "evolution" on any hypothetical theological level, with the premise that a creator God can literally do anything.

@kellyjay said
Who are you to judge saying one thing is better than the next if evolutionary processes are true?

Who am I to judge? I am me. You are you. You can also use your moral compass to decide whether you believe one thing is better than the next.

@kellyjay said
Better and worse require a standard that everything is judged by, if there is such a standard than it does matter what all of the compasses are pointing too!

Presumably, you are touting the "standard that everything is judged by" that you approve of and subscribe to. Feel free to promote your personal opinions about this and to associate with people whose personal opinions about moral matters are similar to yours, and to disapprove of or condemn personal opinions that you disagree with. Go for it.