More bombs near the Holy Land

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The brothers have a clear history of rejecting teachings after they discern that their initial premise was unsound. In fact I think we are the only .Christian organisation that is constantly revising its teachings and rejecting previous held views if found to be unsound. I personally have not rejected a teaching outright. Has your church ever revised and rejected any of its teachings?

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seriously? There are a plethora of changes over the years. Where you can find it? I don't know, but its fact. Maybe jw.org.

You have rejected the trinity? the trinity was rejected in in the third century by Arius, not the first? I think is an understatement. So you cannot tell us a single doctrine or teaching of your church that has undergone revision, Thank you that's all I wanted to know. There are none. You were not asked if you are the sole harbingers of truth, you were not asked if you made prophetic utterances, you were actually asked if you could cite a teaching that has undergone revision and there are none. You have nothing to defend, you don't seem to have any teachings that have undergone any revision since the third century A.D

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
First of all no one has authored any prophecy.

Secondly can you tell us how you interpret Matthew 24:44 to be a cautionary note against making prophecy for personally i think that you are simply drooling again.

Thirdly I do not recall Jehovahs Witnesses ever claiming infallibility or any of Gods servants for that matter, indeed those who we ...[text shortened]... hristian to have come out of it with such scant knowledge of scripture never ceases to amaze me.

This seems to be the gist of the 1914 thing:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

There seems to be no end of 'prophecy' predicting end days are close or here. Every generation has its new batch of such tales and every one has been proven to be false.

This will go on in the next generation and the next after that and on and on to the time when humanity is driven to extinction, never having experienced these 'end days' which if you note, is end days for the whole planet, humans are considered to be so important that the end of humans by some deity will always result in the Earth being wiped out of all life. Bit pretentious don't you think? No, I guess you would not think that.

Originally posted by sonhouse
This seems to be the gist of the 1914 thing:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

There seems to be no end of 'prophecy' predicting end days are close or here. Every generation has its new batch of such tales and every one has been proven to be false.

This will go on in the next generation and the next after that and on an ...[text shortened]... ng wiped out of all life. Bit pretentious don't you think? No, I guess you would not think that.

I don't think your statement is wholly accurate. First of all there was no prophecy originated or authored by Jehovahs witnesses. It was an attempt to understand a prophecy that had already been written and penned in the Bible and it concerned not the end of the world but the presence of Christ or as some translations inaccurately translate it as, 'the coming' of Christ. There are various elements to the prophecy that Christ gave which are ambiguous or difficult to understand. What was being referred to was the interpretation of

Matthew 24:34 - Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

The point being who was Christ referring to when he stated - 'this generation'.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The point being who was Christ referring to when he stated - 'this generation'.

Was the JW leadership wrong to claim "this generation" had something directly to do with "1914"?

Originally posted by FMF
Was the JW leadership wrong to claim "this generation" had something directly to do with "1914"?

No i don't think they were, many of the elements of the prophecy did not manifest themselves until after that year.

For example Matthew 24:7 - nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom

Did not really happen until the first world war (1914) when 95 percent of the earth's population was involved in global conflict.

Originally posted by sonhouse
This seems to be the gist of the 1914 thing:

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

There seems to be no end of 'prophecy' predicting end days are close or here. Every generation has its new batch of such tales and every one has been proven to be false.

This will go on in the next generation and the next after that and on an ...[text shortened]... ng wiped out of all life. Bit pretentious don't you think? No, I guess you would not think that.

Well said.
Certain Christian sects look forward with rapture to the destruction of the earth arrogantly thinking they are the chosen ones.

Poor schmucks.

Originally posted by Captain Strange
Well said.
Certain Christian sects look forward with rapture to the destruction of the earth arrogantly thinking they are the chosen ones.

Poor schmucks.

The Bible makes it clear that Christians are a chosen people and a Holy Nation.

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

Its not arrogance, anyone can become part of the nation if they want to, its arrogance that keeps persons from doing so.

I must say though that the idea of the rapture is quite ludicrous not to mention scripturally untenable.

FMF: Was the JW leadership wrong to claim "this generation" had something directly to do with "1914"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i don't think they were, many of the elements of the prophecy did not manifest themselves until after that year. "the generation that was alive in 1914"

Well. This is an interesting thing for you to say only a few pages after insisting you "don't have any current belief" on the matter. So if you now say you don't believe they are wrong, what does "the generation that was alive in 1914" have to do with the timing of the “great tribulation”?

Originally posted by FMF
Well. This is an interesting thing for you to say only a few pages after insisting you "don't have any current belief" on the matter. So if you now say you don't believe they are wrong, what does "the generation that was alive in 1914" have to do with the timing of the “great tribulation”?

You asked me a question you got a clear answer. I stated i don't believe they were wrong that the generation has and I quote 'something' (your words) to do with the prophecy that Christ mentioned. Clearly if they are mentioned in the same prophecy, they must have 'something', to do with the prophecy unless of course Jesus just put them in there because he is a random sort of guy. Not only that I provided a reason why they must have 'something', (your words) to do with the prophecy and the year 1914 pointing out that some of the events mentioned in the prophecy could only have taken place after 1914.

As regards the timing what Jesus actually states in the prophecy at Matthew 24 are that the elements he mentions are simply a beginning of what he terms, 'pangs of distress'.

If of course you have an alternative perspective of who Jesus was referring to when he stated, 'this generation', at Matthew 24:34 then let it be heard.

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Nicely put.
Robbie is smart but is hemmed in by what his parents told him to believe.