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Spirituality

  1. 17 Mar '06 20:24
    according to nietzsche, original sin is the huge amount of debt we feel we have accrued towards our ancestors. we feel obligated to show our ancestors reverance because we could not be who we are without them having done what they did. over generations, this reverence builds up into a huge mound of guilt for never having been able to pay our ancestors back. our ancestors become god, our guilt becomes original sin. this is actually only one of nietzsche's explanations, and he has many other illuminating things to say about judeo-christianity, if you can get through it.
  2. 17 Mar '06 21:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    So, what's this? A 1000 threads you've went off-topic in with this raving, lunatic bullshit? Or just 500 or 100? Sicko.
    Has exaggerating also become one of your hobbies ?


    Just behave marauder.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Proud Boys Beware
    17 Mar '06 22:12
    That everyone deserves to go to Hell.
  4. Standard member Coletti
    W.P. Extraordinaire
    18 Mar '06 01:10
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    No, he wasn't as my post points out. As sonhouse didn't use capital letters to refer to "The Immaculate Conception" and since Jesus' conception was just as much an "immaculate conception" as Mary's, it's quite possible that a Protestant pastor MIGHT use that term in referring to Jesus' birth. .
    Anything is possible but that's highly unlikely. Most Protestant pastors have some training in Protestant doctrine- and Protestants would not be Protestant if the Protestant Reformation never occurred wherein many Catholic doctrines were rejected as extra-biblical, including the doctrine of the "Immaculate Conception".

    So sure, it's possible that a Protestant "MIGHT" use the term in reference to Jesus birth, but Protestant pastors tend to be nothing if not nit-picky about Protestant doctrine.
  5. Standard member scottishinnz
    Kichigai!
    18 Mar '06 02:17
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What do you think?
    There are a lot but here is one that sticks in my craw:
    Original Sin. Now there is a nice lovely concept only a true forgiving god would have invented, eh.
    Hey Kid, I am your father, yea do I verily say unto you, thou art vile from thy very birth. Thou must accept the lord jesus christ as your personal savior or thou be damned to bur ...[text shortened]... ble kids get that rot at a very young age and no wonder they fall into the trap of christianity.
    The way they claim to be all superior in their knowledge to athiests, and yet make the most surprisingly stupid logical fallicies, like dj2becker's idea that spaghetti is proof of the FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER. It was, of course, pointed out to him that water is not evidence of the biblical flood, although the biblical flood, were it proved to have happened, would definately be proof of water.

    They just ignore the evidence of their own eyes if it goes against what they want to believe in.
  6. Standard member gollumprawn
    it's mine
    18 Mar '06 08:36
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Yes. How do they go about counting how many of them there are? Baptism certificates? Census reports? I want to know if I'm on the list or not.
    there is a sect in a salty place, that baptises you when your dead so you can't complain about it
    so much for freedom
  7. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    18 Mar '06 17:49
    Originally posted by gollumprawn
    there is a sect in a salty place, that baptises you when your dead so you can't complain about it
    so much for freedom
    Well it for sure doesn't effect the dead one but I guess it makes the survivers feel better. I think thats the main thrust of religious feeling, its an emotion. Unfortunately power hungry cretins take advantage of that fact to create religions that curiously enough seem to deal the leaders with many advantages, just co-incidence, eh.
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    18 Mar '06 18:34
    Originally posted by Coletti
    Anything is possible but that's highly unlikely. Most Protestant pastors have some training in Protestant doctrine- and Protestants would not be Protestant if the Protestant Reformation never occurred wherein many Catholic doctrines were rejected as extra-biblical, including the doctrine of the "Immaculate Conception".

    So sure, it's possible that a Pro ...[text shortened]... , but Protestant pastors tend to be nothing if not nit-picky about Protestant doctrine.
    (Shrug) If someone who was there says it happened and it's not totally unreasonable in my experience, I tend to give them a preliminary benefit of the doubt. Just because a pastor used the words "immaculate conception" doesn't mean he was accepting the RCC doctrine of Mary's "Immaculate Conception". Maybe he was contrasting them or maybe he had a slip of the tongue or a dozen other possible scenarios. That doesn't mean sonhouse was a dunce for using the term "immaculate conception" in referring to Jesus as LH arrogantly suggested.
  9. 18 Mar '06 19:45
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    (Shrug) If someone who was there says it happened and it's not totally unreasonable in my experience, I tend to give them a preliminary benefit of the doubt. Just because a pastor used the words "immaculate conception" doesn't mean he was accepting the RCC doctrine of Mary's "Immaculate Conception". Maybe he was contrasting them or maybe he had a slip of ...[text shortened]... ing the term "immaculate conception" in referring to Jesus as LH arrogantly suggested.
    Sonhouse: "But I could not stand the Jesus born of mary through the immaculate conception bla bla bla crap every single sunday."

    Sonhouse clearly refers to Jesus' birth as the immaculate conception. His ignorance concerning this issue clearly shows. On top of that it is he who is being disrespectful and arrogant. The above quote tells it all.
  10. Donation bbarr
    Chief Justice
    18 Mar '06 20:10
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Sonhouse: "But I could not stand the Jesus born of mary through the immaculate conception bla bla bla crap every single sunday."

    Sonhouse clearly refers to Jesus' birth as the immaculate conception. His ignorance concerning this issue clearly shows. On top of that it is he who is being disrespectful and arrogant. The above quote tells it all.
    Doesn't the immaculate conception refer to Mary's being saved from original sin at the time of her conception?
  11. 18 Mar '06 20:43
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What do you think?
    ...the trap of christianity.
    vile

    adj 1: morally reprehensible; "would do something as despicable as murder"; "ugly crimes"; "the vile development of slavery appalled them" [syn: despicable, ugly, unworthy] 2: thoroughly unpleasant; "filthy (or foul or nasty or vile) weather we're having" [syn: filthy, foul, nasty] 3: causing or able to cause nausea; "a nauseating smell"; "nauseous offal"; "a sickening stench" [syn: nauseating, nauseous, noisome, loathsome, offensive, sickening]
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    18 Mar '06 20:43
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Sonhouse: "But I could not stand the Jesus born of mary through the immaculate conception bla bla bla crap every single sunday."

    Sonhouse clearly refers to Jesus' birth as the immaculate conception. His ignorance concerning this issue clearly shows. On top of that it is he who is being disrespectful and arrogant. The above quote tells it all.
    I've already explained the difference between A "immaculate conception" (which Jesus' certainly was in Christian doctrine) and THE "Immaculate Conception" (which is a doctrine regarding Mary that is peculiar to the RCC so far as I know). Calling someone "ignorant" for stating something that is basically correct just because it conflicts with what words should be capitalized according to one particular religion is arrogant.
  13. 18 Mar '06 20:45
    Originally posted by bbarr
    Doesn't the immaculate conception refer to Mary's being saved from original sin at the time of her conception?
    It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived "by the power of the Holy Spirit," in the way Jesus was, but that, too, is incorrect. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what "immaculate" means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.
    http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
  14. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    18 Mar '06 23:50
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived "by the power of the Holy Spirit," in the way Jes ...[text shortened]... e original sin brings.
    http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
    So god itself decided ONE person on the planet should be without sin
    and the other 5,999,999,999 are screwed, unless of course you accept JC and the gang as your personal savior. Poor muslims, are they gonna be suprised. And all those hindu's, shamans, Jaynes, and the rest, utterly doomed. I guess I better rejoin my church before its too late then.
  15. 18 Mar '06 23:59
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So god itself decided ONE person on the planet should be without sin
    You mistake me for a Catholic. The source:

    http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp

    I guess I better rejoin my church before its too late then.
    Thankfully, church membership is not a requirement. Acceptance of the gift of salvation, however, is the only requirement.