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Originally posted by Rajk999You may try making reference to the actual content, who knows, you may do better, in
Is this the same Jehovah Witnesses
- which made hundreds of prophesies and all turned out to be false?
- which advised followers to sell property and material goods because Christ is returning to the Earth to establish his kingdom in 1914 ?
- which built a house [now abandoned] in San Deigo for returning saints to live in ?
Did not Christ say to b ...[text shortened]... rophet [Jehovah Witnesses] will be thrown into the lake of fire along with Satan and his angels?
fact, you could hardly do worse than you are doing at present. We did not originate
this Biblical prophecy, we have merely sought to understand it making your assertion
that we have, a lie, that is because that's what you are, a liar. Which part of this
prophecy have we originated? I want to hear you say it, which part? Cannot answer?
Then indeed, you are a liar, factually and incontrovertibly established, AGAIN.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt would be fair to say that the Watchtowers record of 'understanding prophesy' is pretty poor. For an organisation which claims to be used by Jehovah to 'warn people' and 'declare things to come' you'd think there would be beter communication channels.
you may try making reference to the actual content, who knows, you may do better, in
fact, you could hardly do worse than you are doing at present. We did not originate
this Biblical prophecy, we have merely sought to understand it making your assertion
that we have, a lie, that is because that's what you are, a liar.
What do you put the poor track record down to Rob?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobAgain, you might like to make reference to the actual content, in fact, if you think its so
It would be fair to say that the Watchtowers record of 'understanding prophesy' is pretty poor. For an organisation which claims to be used by Jehovah to 'warn people' and 'declare things to come' you'd think there would be beter communication channels.
What do you put the poor track record down to Rob?
poor, lets see if you can do any better. Care to offer an alternative explanation of the
account in Daniel?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, couldn't give a toss Rob.
Again, you might like to make reference to the actual content, in fact, if you think its so
poor, lets see if you can do any better. Care to offer an alternative explanation of the
account in Daniel?
now, why do you think the Watchtowers track record of understanding phrophesy is so poor?
Originally posted by Proper KnobLike everything, it takes time, the Bible is a complicated book, one aspect may have
No, couldn't give a toss Rob.
now, why do you think the Watchtowers track record of understanding phrophesy is so poor?
impact upon another, or one piece of information is ignored and the whole variation is
lost, indeed coupled with imperfection and the fact that we are prone to aberration I
think its perfectly reasonable to assume that mistakes of necessity would have been
made. But seeing that you obviously know what is good interpretation and what is not,
can you point out our poor interpretation of this prophecy at Daniel, or have we in this
instance got everything absolutely correct? After all you are able to discern the
difference between proper and improper understanding, are you not?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI have done far better. I have said truthfully that I cannot predict the return of Christ neither can I interpret the prophesy of Daniel or Revelation I have never gone house to house preaching false prophesies. TRUTH is what is important.
You may try making reference to the actual content, who knows, you may do better, in
fact, you could hardly do worse than you are doing at present. We did not originate
this Biblical prophecy, we have merely sought to understand it making your assertion
that we have, a lie, that is because that's what you are, a liar. Which part of this
pro ...[text shortened]... annot answer?
Then indeed, you are a liar, factually and incontrovertibly established, AGAIN.
The WatchTower organisation is a factory that turns out lie after lie after lie. They falsely and knowingly predicted the return of Christ TO THE EARTH in 1914. After they were proved wrong they knowingly and falsely said that CHRIST DID RETURN BUT HE IS RULING IN HEAVEN... another blatant lie. To this day you and Galveston is preaching that lie .. that Christ is ruling in heaven. How do you know that? You cannot answer. The MO of the WT and of its deluded followers, is lie and coverup followed by another lie and another coverup.
Originally posted by Rajk999sorry i cannot hear you, which part of this prophecy have we originated, you said it,
I have done far better. I have said truthfully that I cannot predict the return of Christ neither can I interpret the prophesy of Daniel or Revelation I have never gone house to house preaching false prophesies. TRUTH is what is important.
The WatchTower organisation is a factory that turns out lie after lie after lie. They falsely and knowingly predict ...[text shortened]... WT and of its deluded followers, is lie and coverup followed by another lie and another coverup.
which part? Cannot answer then you are publicly exposed as a liar, AGAIN. Which part
have we originated Raj, you said it, which part?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieDoes the Bible say anything about 1914? NO!
sorry i cannot hear you, which part of this prophecy have we originated, you said it,
which part? Cannot answer then you are publicly exposed as a liar, AGAIN. Which part
have we originated Raj, you said it, which part?
That was a prophesy made by the WatchTower organisation.
Foolish interpretations + wrong assumptions + vanity and arrogance = FALSE PROPHETS
Originally posted by menace71Ok thanks for your comment. I understand your viewpoint but you still didn't really answer my question. But you mention this "army" coming with Jesus down to earth. What is this army going to do here?
Do you not understand the scripture? Paul says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So yes believers go to be in heaven but there will be an army beyond count coming back with the Lord when He returns. Paul also says I tell you a mystery that not all shall die but at the last trump of God they will be changed in the blinking of an eye ...[text shortened]... the living. This is because Abraham Issac and Jacob are alive in Heaven with God.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71So you'll be resurrected to heaven with a fleshly human body?
If I die today I will go and be with the Lord and when the end of time finally comes He will resurrect me with a new non-perishable body. (Of course I believe in human depravity and our sin nature being from the original fall of man) So I don't deserve to go to heaven at all but it's the grace and mercy of God that makes this possible for any man who will trust on and believe in what Jesus said.
Manny
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Originally posted by Rajk999sorry the word of a liar is not acceptable as evidence, do you have any reasons other
Does the Bible say anything about 1914? NO!
That was a prophesy made by the WatchTower organisation.
[b]Foolish interpretations + wrong assumptions + vanity and arrogance = FALSE PROPHETS[/b]
than, because I say it is? and i still cannot hear you, which part of this prophecy have
we originated? I cannot hear you? Which part of our understanding of the prophecy is
erroneous, you have not said.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJWs are the only people I think I have ever met who defend their beliefs, when called on to take responsibility for them, by saying that they didn't "originate" them. How peculiar.
sorry i cannot hear you, which part of this prophecy have we originated, you said it, which part? Cannot answer then you are publicly exposed as a liar, AGAIN. Which part have we originated Raj, you said it, which part?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNice try, but i don't need to have an understanding of interpreting the Bible to be able to make comment on this topic. I just need to look at how many predictions the Watchtower has made over the last 140 years or so concerning the end of the world and the return of God and then look out my window and note - 'yep, the earth is still spinning and he's still not turned up yet'.
Like everything, it takes time, the Bible is a complicated book, one aspect may have
impact upon another, or one piece of information is ignored and the whole variation is
lost, indeed coupled with imperfection and the fact that we are prone to aberration I
think its perfectly reasonable to assume that mistakes of necessity would have been
ma ...[text shortened]... you are able to discern the
difference between proper and improper understanding, are you not?
As for your comment about taking time, your supposed to have divine guidance, surely God can get the communication lines sorted by now?!
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Originally posted by FMFAdd that to the fact that they claim divine guidance and inspiration and what do you have ..
JWs are the only people I think I have ever met who defend their beliefs, when called on to take responsibility for them, by saying that they didn't "originate" them. How peculiar.
GOD IS MAKING THE FALSE PROPHECIES.
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Utter nutcases.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyou know we have a 'poor', record yet you are unable to state, in this particular
Nice try, but i don't need to have an understanding of interpreting the Bible to be able to make comment on this topic. I just need to look at how many predictions the Watchtower has made over the last 140 years or so concerning the end of the world and the return of God and then look out my window and note - 'yep, the earth is still spinning and he's still not turned up yet'.
instance whether we have a proper and sound understanding or whether we have not.
Such a stance leads us to the conclusion that you have no idea what a proper
understanding of prophecy is or is not and have simply taken it upon trust, from a third
party source no doubt, that it really is poor, interesting. So is our understanding of the
year 1914 as a Biblically significant date, based on the prophecy of Daniel erroneous or
not, have we got it correct in this instance or have we not, after all, it is the point of
interest, harping on about past failures is irrelevant, to be honest.