Originally posted by Rajk999still unable to state where we have originated any prophecy makes you a lair, your
Add that to the fact that they claim divine guidance and inspiration and what do you have ..
GOD IS MAKING THE FALSE PROPHECIES.
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Utter nutcases.
words are hollow and impotent as a consequence, your opinions are irrelevant and
have no bearing on the actual content of the post, anyone can see what a sham you
evidently purport to be, i am truly embarrassed for you.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI guess we'll find out sooner rather than later whether this date is significant and whether your interpretation of Daniel is based on a sound understanding of scripture or not. As of this moment God is still yet to turn up, 1980 years and counting.
you know we have a 'poor', record yet you are unable to state, in this particular
instance whether we have a proper and sound understanding or whether we have not.
Such a stance leads us to the conclusion that you have no idea what a proper
understanding of prophecy is or is not and have simply taken it upon trust, from a third
party source ...[text shortened]... ll, it is the point of
interest, harping on about past failures is irrelevant, to be honest.
Would you care to make a guesstimate as to how long we have to wait?
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Originally posted by Proper Knobwould you say that 1914 is a historically significant date? No one can say how long one
I guess we'll find out sooner rather than later whether this date is significant and whether your interpretation of Daniel is based on a sound understanding of scripture or not. As of this moment God is still yet to turn up, 1980 years and counting.
has to wait. No one knows the hour, not the Christ, not the angels, only the father.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe 1914 prophesy is not in the Bible.
still unable to state where we have originated any prophecy makes you a lair, your
words are hollow and impotent as a consequence, your opinions are irrelevant and
have no bearing on the actual content of the post, anyone can see what a sham you
evidently purport to be, i am truly embarrassed for you.
The WatchTower originated that.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderThanks. I don't know what you've already looked at at the WTS sight so I hate to repeat those.
In an earlier post, you said:The Bible says that things "will go from bad to worse" during this time.
Thererfore anything that supports this view. I found quite a bit on the Watchtower site, so you can link directly to this if easier.
Also, is there anything about Satan's purpose for what he doing at this time? I know that he is angry, but does he have a specific plan?
Here is a clip from: Awake 2/8 pages 8-9
We Are Living in the Last Days.
Some 2,000 years ago, disciples of Jesus Christ asked him a far-reaching question. “Tell us,” they said, “what will be the sign of . . . the conclusion of the system of things?” (Matthew 24:3) Jesus’ answer is spelled out in detail in the Bible in chapter 24 of Matthew, chapter 13 of Mark, and chapter 21 of Luke. These complementary Gospel accounts describe the last days of the present world as being characterized by wars, famines, diseases, great earthquakes, and a significant increase in lawlessness.
The critical conditions that Jesus foretold began in 1914. As historian Eric Hobsbawm states in his book Age of Extremes, the 20th century “was without doubt the most murderous century of which we have record.”
Concerning the present proliferation of evil, the Bible states: “When the wicked ones sprout as the vegetation and all the practicers of what is hurtful blossom forth, it is that they may be annihilated forever.” (Psalm 92:7) Yes, the evidence is clear: Today’s bumper crop of lawlessness—like the sprouting of vegetation in season—is, in reality, an indication that the annihilation of the wicked is imminent! Is that not good news?—2 Peter 3:7.
Another from Awake 4/7 page 8 :
“The Last Days” of What?
“The last days” has become a very common expression. In the English language alone, it has been part of the title of hundreds of books.
Consider, for example, the recent book The Last Days of Innocence—America at War, 1917-1918. The prologue makes clear that when using the term “the last days,” the book refers to a specific time, one in which there has been a tremendous decay in morals.
“In 1914,” the prologue explains, “the country was changing more rapidly than at any time in its history.” Indeed, the year 1914 marked a plunge into war worldwide, which had not been experienced before. The book says: “This was total war, the conflict not of army against army but nation against nation.” This war, as we will see, occurred at the beginning of what the Bible terms “the last days.”
That this world would experience before its actual end a specific time called “the last days” is a teaching of the Bible. The Bible, in fact, says that a world once existed that has already passed away, or ended, explaining: “The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.” What time was that, and what was the world that ended? It was the ancient “world of ungodly people” that existed in the days of the man Noah. Similarly, today’s world will end. Yet, those who serve God will survive the end, as did Noah and his family.—2 Peter 2:5; 3:6; Genesis 7:21-24; 1 John 2:17.
These are just a couple of many. The important thing is to look up the scriptures to get the point understood from the Bible.
As far a Satan, he had free reign in his movements up until he was cast from heaven in 1914, he could go and come, even to heaven as he pleased.
Job 1:6 confirms this:
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to show themselves before the Lord. Satan came with them also.
But after 1914 this is described of Satan. IT book #2 page 869:
"In the book of Revelation, we find described the last days of Satan and his end. Revelation reports that at the time of Christ’s taking Kingdom power, Satan is hurled down out of heaven to the earth, no longer having access to the heavens, as he did in the days of Job and for centuries thereafter. (Re 12:7-12) After this defeat Satan has only a “short period of time,” during which he makes war with “the remaining ones of [the woman’s] seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus.” In his efforts to devour the remaining ones of the woman’s seed, he is called “the dragon,” a swallower or crusher. (Re 12:16, 17; compare Jer 51:34, where Jeremiah speaks for Jerusalem and Judah, saying: “Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon . . . has swallowed me down like a big snake [or, “a dragon,” ftn].&rdquo😉 In the earlier description of his fight against the woman and his efforts to devour her man child, he is pictured as “a great fiery-colored dragon.”—Re 12:3.
So satan and his demons are like trapped animals that is not only fighting for its life but is trying to destroy the "womans seed" or the remnant of his chosen ones that are still on the earth. He knows he cannot get to God or his son or even back to heaven. So he is attacking the only thing he can and the affects of this rage is affecting the entire world and we see the results of that since 1914.
Originally posted by galveston75Thanks for this. I have a feeling my hypothesis is not going to hold but I will reflect and come back if it does.
Thanks. I don't know what you've already looked at at the WTS sight so I hate to repeat those.
Here is a clip from: Awake 2/8 pages 8-9
We Are Living in the Last Days.
Some 2,000 years ago, disciples of Jesus Christ asked him a far-reaching question. “Tell us,” they said, “what will be the sign of . . . the c ...[text shortened]... fects of this rage is affecting the entire world and we see the results of that since 1914.
Originally posted by Rajk999I've noticed they really don't want the truth either. When presented with their own historical literature they become very defensive. Example: 1975 was a year that by their literature would be the end of the world. Armageddon so to speak.
I think the word 'nutcase' is a correct term which describes the JWs.
You need a few more years of reading and interracting with them will prove that Im right 🙂. Are you reading some of these these threads when they lie, deceive, deflect so shamelessly?
eg .. you asked a direct and clear question pertaining to 1914 and all Galveston did was say he is go ...[text shortened]... are liars and deceivers. When you have had enough of their deceit you will change your views.
I've challenge them to look at their own past to see the lies.
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, 1914 is a historically significant date. There are lots of historically significant dates.
would you say that 1914 is a historically significant date? No one can say how long one
has to wait. No one knows the hour, not the Christ, not the angels, only the father.
I'l make a prediction for you, you won't live to see God return.
Originally posted by menace71Are you saying that they knew this was untrue when they said it (assuming they did)? If not, in what sense is it a lie, as opposed to an untruth?
I've noticed they really don't want the truth either. When presented with their own historical literature they become very defensive. Example: 1975 was a year that by their literature would be the end of the world. Armageddon so to speak.
I've challenge them to look at their own past to see the lies.
Manny
Originally posted by Proper KnobGod will never return because he has never been on earth. It was his son that was here and his name was Jesus.
Yes, 1914 is a historically significant date. There are lots of historically significant dates.
I'l make a prediction for you, you won't live to see God return.
Until you and the others ever understand that simple fact nothing will ever make sense to you from the Bible...