Originally posted by @kellyjayThe process and conditions under which non-living matter takes on the structure and properties of living matter is quite unremarkable once we get down to describing it.There is a lot to describe, but that's just collecting details. Two details are (1) the existence of liquid H2O and (2) the tetrahedral bonds of carbon. which underlie the helical structure of DNA. Put the details together in the same place, and life is inevitable. No magic. It would be magic if it didn't happen.
Abiogenesis supernatural?
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Originally posted by @js357First of all you need to get the amino acids in the correct order for them to be able to synthesize proteins. Of the 100 or so known amino acids only twenty two are necessary for life, but they need to be of the right kind. So lets get this, we have 100 known amino acids, we mix them up at random in our prebiotic 'soup', we grasp a handful and spread them out on the table. Not only do they need to be the correct ones, they also need to be in the correct sequence! Now can you tell us the probability of that happening? It is the equivalent of rummaging around in a junk yard and finding a fully functional Boeing 747 jet that just happened to construct itself and here you are talking about inevitability? Crazee times!
The process and conditions under which non-living matter takes on the structure and properties of living matter is quite unremarkable once we get down to describing it.There is a lot to describe, but that's just collecting details. Two details are (1) the existence of liquid H2O and (2) the tetrahedral bonds of carbon. which underlie the helical structure of ...[text shortened]... the same place, and life is inevitable. No magic. It would be magic if it [b]didn't happen.[/b]
Originally posted by @black-beetleAgreed its a spectrum. Still the tendency of the materialist is to treat predisposition as a causation as if they are synonymous. To what extent and why is really the crux of the matter. This is important for many areas from morality and criminality. For if we are naught but a collection of electrochemical impulses and there is aberration in the system how are we to be held accountable when that system fails and we do crazee stuff. It was my genes wot made me do it, honest guv!
It’s being some time rabbie my feer, during the last 15-18 months I was really time puir and couldn’t participate at the forum. Good to see you around, hope you and yours are good!
Well this is an ole story, old at least since Galton’s “Hereditary Genius” work –but I have to do my chores in order to comment as regards the severity of genetics over b ...[text shortened]... in’t mean I see anything supernatural in there the way our Kellyjay noted earlier at his posts😵
Originally posted by @robbie-carrobieIt really isn't sir, and it's about time you ditched that Boeing 747 analogy.
First of all you need to get the amino acids in the correct order for them to be able to synthesize proteins. Of the 100 or so known amino acids only twenty two are necessary for life, but they need to be of the right kind. So lets get this, we have 100 known amino acids, we mix them up at random in our prebiotic 'soup', we grasp a handful and s ...[text shortened]... at just happened to construct itself and here you are talking about inevitability? Crazee times!
Probability is a different ball game when we are discussing such a mind boggling amount of time. I think you know that.
Originally posted by @js357So a good story is all it takes? More than a few assumptions are in play. But a good story, nothing witnessed, nothing duplicated, and on and on is required. Shoot what has to happen for this unremarkable event to occur throughout the universe? What might have gone wrong? Even with your assumption about the limitations, you don't see any issues? Why aren't we seeing new life on a daily bases, or in labs if its that simple.
The process and conditions under which non-living matter takes on the structure and properties of living matter is quite unremarkable once we get down to describing it.There is a lot to describe, but that's just collecting details. Two details are (1) the existence of liquid H2O and (2) the tetrahedral bonds of carbon. which underlie the helical structure of ...[text shortened]... the same place, and life is inevitable. No magic. It would be magic if it [b]didn't happen.[/b]
You have a lot of faith!
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeActually it is and no its not about time I ditched it, its excellent. A mind boggling amount of time? How scientific.
It really isn't sir, and it's about time you ditched that Boeing 747 analogy.
Probability is a different ball game when we are discussing such a mind boggling amount of time. I think you know that.
Originally posted by @robbie-carrobieOne didn't want to blind you sir with science.
Actually it is and no its not about time I ditched it, its excellent. A mind boggling amount of time? How scientific.
The probability of me rolling 1000 sixes in a row is astronomically high, but give me billions of years to accomplish the task and I might just pull it off.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukePants, unadulterated frilly pantaloons!
One didn't want to blind you sir with science.
The probability of me rolling 1000 sixes in a row is astronomically high, but give me billions of years to accomplish the task and I might just pull it off.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeYou could only if there was a good possibility that gives you your desired outcome. If the outcome didn't have any possible chances time and more time will not help!
One didn't want to blind you sir with science.
The probability of me rolling 1000 sixes in a row is astronomically high, but give me billions of years to accomplish the task and I might just pull it off.
Originally posted by @kellyjayAmen.
So a good story is all it takes? More than a few assumptions are in play. But a good story, nothing witnessed, nothing duplicated, and on and on is required. Shoot what has to happen for this unremarkable event to occur throughout the universe? What might have gone wrong? Even with your assumption about the limitations, you don't see any issues? Why aren't ...[text shortened]... we seeing new life on a daily bases, or in labs if its that simple.
You have a lot of faith!
Originally posted by @kellyjayEnough people and now understanding to tender the land.
So nothing really to speak about with respect to the rise of man, except there are more
of us.
With a bit of luck we'll unite under the one Earth, and then humans can manage their environment, other livings beings, etc.
There are exponentially more of us. Check out a population curve for the last hundred years..
Over a billion people were born in my lifetime. That's staggering considering before 1900 there was less than a billion in the whole world.
Now I don't know whats going to happen however for someone who believes in god (you), why do you think He would put all his eggs in one basket?
Originally posted by @kellyjayWorld views get shattered.
Is the only reason you believe that story without any of the reasons you hold creation to, is it fits your world views?
I've had mine broken and re-created a few times,
And I'm fairly sure that it'll happen again.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelEverything in the universe from one end to the other are all before God. That said what would it matter to God where someone or something is that is important to him? He looses track of nothing in time, or space and accomplishes what He sets out to do.
Enough people and now understanding to tender the land.
With a bit of luck we'll unite under the one Earth, and then humans can manage their environment, other livings beings, etc.
There are exponentially more of us. Check out a population curve for the last hundred years..
Over a billion people were born in my lifetime. That's staggering consideri ...[text shortened]... for someone who believes in god (you), why do you think He would put all his eggs in one basket?