19 Oct 11
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Consider this:
- The Apostle Paul must have been among the few who truly understood the mind of Christ and he was sent by Christ to preach to the Gentiles. He would have preached to them all that was required for salvation.
- But there was no New Testament and only few people had access to the Old testament and yet Paul must have converted thousands of Gentiles and set up dozens of Churches.
- All they would have to go by is what Paul preached which in a nutshell was;
- that Christ came and died for their sins.
- that belief in him, repentance and baptism makes them adopted Jews and heirs according to the promise made to Abraham.
- that it was important to live a righteous life .. good works.
Conclusion: People throughout all eras and all walks of life would be judged by the same criteria. It would not matter if the person was an uneducated Greek who only heard the words of Paul, or a modern bible scholar with all the knowledge in the world at his fingertips.
The question is how is it that so many religions [like the JWs, Mormons, SDAs, etc] have arisen all claiming to have the only Truth, and that Truth which they claim to have bears little resemblance to what Paul or any Apostle preached. Are they more inspired than Paul? Do they have a closer contact with Christ than anyone else? What ?
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by Rajk999Yet, we are not saved by our good works, but by the grace of God's mercy.
Consider this:
- The Apostle Paul must have been among the few who truly understood the mind of Christ and he was sent by Christ to preach to the Gentiles. He would have preached to them all that was required for salvation.
- But there was no New Testament and only few people had access to the Old testament and yet Paul must have converted thousands o ...[text shortened]... they more inspired than Paul? Do they have a closer contact with Christ than anyone else? What ?
So whoever believes and calls on the name (YAHshua) of the Lord Jesus
the Christ shall be saved.
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by Rajk999People also need to remember Paul had an encounter on the road to Damascus with none other Than the risen Lord Jesus !!! Paul had direct contact with Jesus.
Consider this:
- The Apostle Paul must have been among the few who truly understood the mind of Christ and he was sent by Christ to preach to the Gentiles. He would have preached to them all that was required for salvation.
- But there was no New Testament and only few people had access to the Old testament and yet Paul must have converted thousands o ...[text shortened]... they more inspired than Paul? Do they have a closer contact with Christ than anyone else? What ?
Acts 9
The Conversion of Saul
1 Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” 7 The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; and leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
He ask Lord who are you? I am Jesus !!!
Manny
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsand does works.
Yet, we are not saved by our good works, but by the grace of God's mercy.
So whoever believes and calls on the name (YAHshua) of the Lord Jesus
the Christ shall be saved.
believing a serial killer would be saved just by asking to be saved is idiotic.
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by menace71That plus he had several visits by Christ throughout his missionary travels.
People also need to remember Paul had an encounter on the road to Damascus with none other Than the risen Lord Jesus !!! Paul had direct contact with Jesus.
Acts 9
The Conversion of Saul
1 Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at ...[text shortened]... s without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
He ask Lord who are you? I am Jesus !!!
Manny
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsWould Christ save someone who just calls on his name and yet continues to sin?
Yet, we are not saved by our good works, but by the grace of God's mercy.
So whoever believes and calls on the name (YAHshua) of the Lord Jesus
the Christ shall be saved.
Paul, after explaining at length about the saving power of grace in Romans Chaps 3-5, answers that very question about the consequences of continuing to sin after accepting the power of Gods grace through faith in Christ. Read Chaps 6-8.
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by Rajk999This is a tough one but when you become a Christian a follower of Christ you (we) should no longer want to sin or at least willfully sin against Christ. The being renewed or the change of mind and heart the being born again.
Would Christ save someone who just calls on his name and yet continues to sin?
Paul, after explaining at length about the saving power of grace in Romans Chaps 3-5, answers that very question about the consequences of continuing to sin after accepting the power of Gods grace through faith in Christ. Read Chaps 6-8.
Grace vs Works I think the two are the same coin different sides. God gives us the grace to do the works and from a correct heart we will do the works.
Manny
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by Rajk999from someone who cannot even explain what Gods Kingdom is, using a Bible, haha and
Consider this:
- The Apostle Paul must have been among the few who truly understood the mind of Christ and he was sent by Christ to preach to the Gentiles. He would have preached to them all that was required for salvation.
- But there was no New Testament and only few people had access to the Old testament and yet Paul must have converted thousands o ...[text shortened]... they more inspired than Paul? Do they have a closer contact with Christ than anyone else? What ?
here you are, telling us what Paul taught and how it is at variance with other religious
stances, feel your bum mate, try to get a handle on reality.
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by menace71That does not answer the question Manny. Nobody wants to know what will happen to someone who has accepted Christ and has a good heart. We know the answer. Plus we all know what we 'should' do.
This is a tough one but when you become a Christian a follower of Christ you (we) should no longer want to sin or at least willfully sin against Christ. The being renewed or the change of mind and heart the being born again.
Grace vs Works I think the two are the same coin different sides. God gives us the grace to do the works and from a correct heart we will do the works.
Manny
What if someone accepts Christ and is 'saved by grace' but continues to sin?
And its not about grace v works. They dont oppose each other. They compliment each other. Grace comes to us through faith in Christ. Works demonstrates your faith in Christ. Without works it means that your heart was not transformed by the spirit.
Jas 2:21-22 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieFor ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. ;
from someone who cannot even explain what Gods Kingdom is, using a Bible, haha and
here you are, telling us what Paul taught and how it is at variance with other religious
stances, feel your bum mate, try to get a handle on reality.
(Galatians 3:26-29)
All those people who have accepted Christ will make up Gods Kingdom.
19 Oct 11
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Originally posted by Rajk999so Gods Kingdom is people who have accepted Christ? is that what you are saying?
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. ;[ ]
(Galatians 3:26-29)
All those people who have accepted Christ will make up Gods Kingdom.[/b]
Perhaps you could make a reference to some of Christ's teachings, he does rather
mention it, like all the time! Never the less, i dont want to hijack your works v faith
thread.
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by menace71What are the "works" we as Christians are to be doing? What do the parables that Jesus spoke about tell us? What did Jesus's immediate followers do? I don't expect you to answer them all but others can comment too.
This is a tough one but when you become a Christian a follower of Christ you (we) should no longer want to sin or at least willfully sin against Christ. The being renewed or the change of mind and heart the being born again.
Grace vs Works I think the two are the same coin different sides. God gives us the grace to do the works and from a correct heart we will do the works.
Manny
A comment I want to make and it's something that I have seen from the first time I joined RHP and started to comment here in the spiritual forum and that's about the perception that a few have here about the JW's.
Yes we get defensive about our beliefs as everyone else here does. We are no different. And we are not perfect and sometimes react in ways that are not correct.
So we are imperfect just as the rest of you all are. We do not think we're better or that we have some special blessing from God. We don't and if it comes across that way, it's wrong.
Personally my original reason for ever commenting here at RHP is simply to share what I've learned not only from my studies but from the millions of hours of spiritual research by others that simply want the same thing and that is the TRUTH of the Bible.
Religion as a whole has let paganistic and man made theories and doctrines slip in or have been purposley added by satan's influance and have poluted the clean truths of the Bible. Many of you know this has happened and that is why many of you have left the churches you were once a part of. You see some of these things and you have made a move to seperate yourselves from them.
That's all the JW's have done.
So this thought by a few of you that we think we are better is wrong. We are simply servants as we all should be and ones that should follow what Jesus told us to do. But I personally say to you all.......there is more that has to be done that Jesus has told us to do. We can't just sit and say we believe in Jesus and think that's it. Don't let satan fool you.