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Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus did not say this : Doing good works is what we are supposed to do, so doing them is what exspected nothing more..
Off the top of my head read John 6: 28-29, the rest I will get to later.
This part you said is in the passage you quoted in John 6 : Believing in Jesus is doing the Work of God.
Believing means believing in your heart which means to follow Christs commandments.
Originally posted by @rajk999Changing the words to make them mean something they are not saying isn’t wise!
Jesus did not say this : Doing good works is what we are supposed to do, so doing them is what exspected nothing more..
This part you said is in the passage you quoted in John 6 : Believing in Jesus is doing the Work of God.
Believing means believing in your heart which means to follow Christs commandments.
Jesus said just what He meant to!
Originally posted by @kellyjayInstead of taking a couple of verses out of context, read the entirety of Jesus' words in the passage (John 6:26-65). It'd also help if you understood the entirety of Jesus' words in all of the chapters of John as well.
Changing the words to make them mean something they are not saying isn’t wise!
Jesus said just what He meant to!
As it is, like the Jews in the passage (and disciples for that matter) you are befuddled by what He saying.
Jesus said just what He meant to!
Do you not understand that Jesus speaks in parables? Do you not understand that Jesus doesn't begin to explain the meaning until John 6:62?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNot taking anything out of context, Jesus made it clear, and so did those that followed
Instead of taking a couple of verses out of context, read the entirety of Jesus' words in the passage (John 6:26-65). It'd also help if you understood the entirety of Jesus' words in all of the chapters of John as well.
As it is, like the Jews in the passage (and disciples for that matter) you are befuddled by what He saying.
[b]Jesus said just wh ...[text shortened]... parables? Do you not understand that Jesus doesn't begin to explain the meaning until John 6:62?
in the Spirit of God. Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not
works, least any of boast about it. If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneSo now what the Bible says you use to discredit what Kelly says when by your own admission "the Bible is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions?"
Instead of taking a couple of verses out of context, read the entirety of Jesus' words in the passage (John 6:26-65). It'd also help if you understood the entirety of Jesus' words in all of the chapters of John as well.
As it is, like the Jews in the passage (and disciples for that matter) you are befuddled by what He saying.
[b]Jesus said just wh ...[text shortened]... parables? Do you not understand that Jesus doesn't begin to explain the meaning until John 6:62?
Cherry picking hypocrisy.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe wise man is the man who follows the commandments of Christ:
Changing the words to make them mean something they are not saying isn’t wise!
Jesus said just what He meant to!
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. (Luke 6:46-49 KJV)
You on the other hand are a foolish man
Originally posted by @kellyjayNot taking anything out of context...
Not taking anything out of context, Jesus made it clear, and so did those that followed
in the Spirit of God. Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not
works, least any of boast about it. If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Yet that's exactly what you did. You took John 6:28-29 out of the context of John 6:26-65. True or not true?
[b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Jesus made it clear...If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Originally posted by @secondsonActually I'm using the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry "to discredit what Kelly says.
So now what the Bible says you use to discredit what Kelly says when by your own admission "the Bible is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions?"
Cherry picking hypocrisy.
By and large, the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself. However, the Bible in its entirety is not. The Bible IS "widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions".
Where exactly is the hypocrisy in my position?
Originally posted by @rajk999I have never said do not obey Christ or don’t do good works either. What I have said is we are not saved by our efforts, but through God’s grace through faith! Believing in Him not ourselves, putting our trust in Him, not ourselves! He is to good and we are sinners for our efforts be anything before God.
The wise man is the man who follows the commandments of Christ:
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the s ...[text shortened]... ruin of that house was great. (Luke 6:46-49 KJV)
You on the other hand are a foolish man
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNope
[b]Not taking anything out of context...
Yet that's exactly what you did. You took John 6:28-29 out of the context of John 6:26-65. True or not true?
[b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the a ...[text shortened]... re Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.[/b]
Originally posted by @thinkofoneDo you think when a man speaks by the Holy Spirit it is not of God, or that some how Jesus’ words would ever be in disagreement with the Holy Spirit, or contrary to the Spirit’ teaching?
[b]Not taking anything out of context...
Yet that's exactly what you did. You took John 6:28-29 out of the context of John 6:26-65. True or not true?
[b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the a ...[text shortened]... re Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.[/b]
You only believe in the red letters?
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAny time you quote any scripture without adding the whole Bible you are taking it out of
[b]Not taking anything out of context...
Yet that's exactly what you did. You took John 6:28-29 out of the context of John 6:26-65. True or not true?
[b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the a ...[text shortened]... re Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.[/b]
context. I quoted the point Jesus made, you want to show me how I used that text changes
it due to the other scripture left off feel free.