Originally posted by @kellyjayFun little guy isn't he. Like the fool that gets knocked down, and doesn't have enough sense to know when he's beat, but keeps getting up for more.
Even when it is pointed out to you it doesn’t sink in. When scripture is given that goes directly against your point you ignore and belittle.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIt's hypocrisy to try and discredit a poster using a text you yourself have discredited.
Actually I'm using the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry "to discredit what Kelly says.
Like Rajk you have proven yourself to be without credibility or intellectual integrity.
Originally posted by @rajk999Not ignoring anything, if you read John 3:16 you'll see nothing of works is there, but what
Your error and the error of all the Christian churches is that their focus is on HOW THEY ARE SAVED AND WHO IT IS THAT SAVES THEM, and ignore what they need to DO to inherit eternal life.
They rant and rave that they are saved by Grace, saved by their faith, saved by the blood of Christ. All that is correct but it misses the mark, It does not hit the n ...[text shortened]... IF they live righteously. Saved is not the same as eternal life. They are two different things.
is there is that whoever believes in Him. While in John 6:29 we also see that the work
of God is simply believing in Him whom He sent which is the Father sending the Son. As
it was in John 3:16 as well. You add to the text, you insert your own twist to make the
scriptures say things that on their own they do not.
Another example is your adding to the story of the Good Samaritan, it doesn't say in that
story that anyone goes anywhere one way or another, that is just you adding to the text
once again.
Where you keep getting it wrong is assuming that when I or anyone else says that we are
saved by faith that we are not pursuing God and doing the works we believe we should
be doing. We just don't use those works before God to assume that God now owes us
anything, like the scripture you mocked as Luke 17:10 where we are told that when we
do what we were supposed to we have only done what was our duty, and still we are
but unworthy servants. We are not to rely on our works before God for our righteousness
that is what Jesus did for us, we are to believe on Him. We are saved by grace through
faith, and that not of ourselves.
John 3:
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:
29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
Luke 17:
10 So you also, when you have done all that you were commanded, say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.’”
Ephesians 2:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Originally posted by @kellyjaySaved by grace but no eternal life unless you live righteously as stated in Eph 4. So something is wrong with your doctrine
Not ignoring anything, if you read John 3:16 you'll see nothing of works is there, but what
is there is that whoever believes in Him. While in John 6:29 we also see that the work
of God is simply believing in Him whom He sent which is the Father sending the Son. As
it was in John 3:16 as well. You add to the text, you insert your own twist to make the
...[text shortened]... ated in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
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Originally posted by @rajk999There are a lot of things said, keeping the commandments and following the Lord are just
He also said only those who keep the commandments will get eternal life. So dont be like the goats.
a part of it. His sheep know His voice, and are following Him. This is taking place in the
here and now, not the by and by. God cleans us, He works within us by His Spirit which
was one of the shocking things to the Jews in the book of Acts. With the Spirit of God
within us we can draw near to God now, without a doubt we need to be repenting of sin
but it is the blood that cleans us making this possible.
John 10:26-28 English Standard Version (ESV)
26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Acts 15:8-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. 10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
James 4:8
Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Originally posted by @kellyjayAll those passages point to one thing = follow His commandments.
There are a lot of things said, keeping the commandments and following the Lord are just
a part of it. His sheep know His voice, and are following Him. This is taking place in the
here and now, not the by and by. God cleans us, He works within us by His Spirit which
was one of the shocking things to the Jews in the book of Acts. With the Spirit of God
...[text shortened]... t, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
Following His commandments means one thing - eternal life.
Failure to follow His commandments means damnation.
Originally posted by @rajk999Never ever said do not follow Christ, the point however is how Christ wants us to follow Him. That is by putting our faith in Him, believing Him, walking with Him. Being made righteous is done by Christ and following Him is on us.
All those passages point to one thing = follow His commandments.
Following His commandments means one thing - eternal life.
Failure to follow His commandments means damnation.
Trusting in our good works or our own righteousness makes us no different than the story Jesus told about the two men, one was thanking God for how good he was compared to others while one humbled himself asking God to forgive him because he was a sinner. The one who trusted in his own righteousness wasn’t forgiven, the one who humbled himself was.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThats a pile of misinterpreted church garbage. If you follow that then that is your loss.
Never ever said do not follow Christ, the point however is how Christ wants us to follow Him. That is by putting our faith in Him, believing Him, walking with Him. Being made righteous is done by Christ and following Him is on us.
Trusting in our good works or our own righteousness makes us no different than the story Jesus told about the two men, one w ...[text shortened]... . The one who trusted in his own righteousness wasn’t forgiven, the one who humbled himself was.
Jesus said to do good works and live righteously ie follow His commandments. Those who succeed like the sheep in Matt 25 will get eternal life. Those who fail to do these good works like the goats will be damned.
You focus on peripheral matters. The core of what must be done to enter the Kingdom of God is not part of your doctrine.
Paul says nothing matters but keeping the commandments.
Originally posted by @rajk999Well I gave you scripture verses and you don’t share why I am wrong, you just announce I am, as if that proves you correct without touching the text and the meaning.
Thats a pile of misinterpreted church garbage. If you follow that then that is your loss.
Jesus said to do good works and live righteously ie follow His commandments. Those who succeed like the sheep in Matt 25 will get eternal life. Those who fail to do these good works like the goats will be damned.
You focus on peripheral matters. The core of what ...[text shortened]... of God is not part of your doctrine.
Paul says nothing matters but keeping the commandments.
Originally posted by @kellyjaySorry that name calling was not appropriate.
Did you go over the text to show how they don’t mean what they say? You now seem to be reduced to name calling instead of talking about scripture.
This one is more appropriate .. you are a lying deceitful hypocritical Christian mouth worshiper ... hows that