Originally posted by @kellyjayWe have discussed these issues for over 8 years. You do not understand Christ. You are a church follower. People like you cannot understand Christ because you are blind just like the Pharisees in the time of Christ could not see what Jesus was saying.
That too is between you and the Lord, and it also doesn’t address the specific points brought up to you.
Originally posted by @kellyjayC'mon KJ. Enough with the deflection. You made the claims quoted in bold below:
Do you think when a man speaks by the Holy Spirit it is not of God, or that some how Jesus’ words would ever be in disagreement with the Holy Spirit, or contrary to the Spirit’ teaching?
You only believe in the red letters?
Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Jesus made it clear...If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Either back them up or admit that Jesus not only never "made it clear", He never said said any such thing.
Would it kill you - for once- to set your pride aside and admit that you were wrong?
Originally posted by @kellyjayMore deflection.
Any time you quote any scripture without adding the whole Bible you are taking it out of
context. I quoted the point Jesus made, you want to show me how I used that text changes
it due to the other scripture left off feel free.
You're really something KJ.
Originally posted by @secondsonOnce more, "Where exactly is the hypocrisy in my position?".
By saying the "Bible is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions" you are directly contradicting what the Bible says about itself.
You're saying exactly what Satan says.
You're saying exactly what Satan says.
Please cite all the passages where Satan said what I said.
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Originally posted by @secondsonNot that I really think it'll do any good, but I'll give you a simple analogy in the hopes that you might be able to wrap your mind around it.
It's hypocrisy to try and discredit a poster using a text you yourself have discredited.
Like Rajk you have proven yourself to be without credibility or intellectual integrity.
Let's say there is a book on a subject which draws on several sources.
Let's say that Source X is quoted extensively in the book and that what's quoted "By and large, is reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself."
Let's say that the other sources are at odds with each other and with Source X. This result of this is that the book in its entirety "contain[s] inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions". Does that somehow render what's quoted from Source X as no longer "reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself"? If so, how exactly?
Like Rajk you have proven yourself to be without credibility or intellectual integrity.
By all means, cite examples where I have "proven [myself] without credibility or intellectual integrity".
Originally posted by @thinkofoneAs I told you last time you showed up, having the Holy Spirit share a truth is no different than Jesus saying it. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are always in agreement. That means if Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul, Moses, or anyone else God uses its God’s truth. Just because Jesus doesn’t say something that doesn’t mean it isn’t from God.
C'mon KJ. Enough with the deflection. You made the claims quoted in bold below:
[quote][b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
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Would it kill you - for once- to set your pride aside and admit that you were wrong?[/b]
Originally posted by @rajk999It is you not me changing Jesus words to make them say things not in the text. I gave you examples!
We have discussed these issues for over 8 years. You do not understand Christ. You are a church follower. People like you cannot understand Christ because you are blind just like the Pharisees in the time of Christ could not see what Jesus was saying.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayEvidently you think it would kill you to set your pride aside.
As I told you last time you showed up, having the Holy Spirit share a truth is no different than Jesus saying it. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are always in agreement. That means if Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul, Moses, or anyone else God uses its God’s truth. Just because Jesus doesn’t say something that doesn’t mean it isn’t from God.
For one, you wrote "Jesus made it clear...". That fact is that Jesus said nothing of the sort. Now you're trying to spin what you wrote into something else.
You call Jesus "Lord", but you don't listen to what He says. If you did listen to what He says, you'd heed His warnings about false prophets, you'd understand who He says does and does not receive the spirit of truth, you'd heed His repeated declarations of the importance of the words He spoke during His ministry.
You're as dishonest as they come KJ.
It's as if Jesus said the following with you in mind.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me...
47“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
Originally posted by @thinkofoneJesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
Evidently you think it would kill you to set your pride aside.
For one, you wrote "Jesus made it clear...". That fact is that Jesus said nothing of the sort. Now you're trying to spin what you wrote into something else.
You call Jesus "Lord", but you don't listen to what He says. If you did listen to what He says, you'd heed His warnings about fal ...[text shortened]... e importance of the words He spoke during His ministry.
You're as dishonest as they come KJ.
So are you calling Jesus your Lord now?
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Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
Jesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
So are you calling Jesus your Lord now?
I quoted you completely in my previous post and at least once before that. It's what we've been discussing in the last few posts that we've exchanged. Why are you pretending that I haven't? You're always pulling stuff like this. Why are you so dishonest?
So are you calling Jesus your Lord now?
Where did I call Jesus my Lord? The only place I mentioned the word "Lord" was in the following sentence: "You call Jesus 'Lord', but you don't listen to what He says."
Is your reading comprehension so poor that you are unable to understand that when I wrote "You" I was referring to YOU and not ME? Or is this yet another example of your dishonesty?
You really go to extraordinary lengths to avoid actually addressing the salient points of posts made by others.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou serving Jesus was a question, you seem gunho about someone serving the Lord properly. So you are not serving Jesus, but judging another’s servant as if your opinion matters.
[b]Jesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
I quoted you completely in my previous post and at least once before that. It's what we've been discussing in the last few posts that we've exchanged. Why are you pretending that I haven't? You're always pulling stuff like this. Why are you so disho ...[text shortened]... rote "You" I was referring to YOU and not ME? Or is this yet another example of your dishonesty?[/b]
Originally posted by @kellyjayYet another post by you dodging the points made. Both in my most recent post as well as posts made earlier.
You serving Jesus was a question, you seem gunho about someone serving the Lord properly. So you are not serving Jesus, but judging another’s servant as if your opinion matters.
You're as dishonest as they come KJ.
You really go to extraordinary lengths to avoid actually addressing the salient points of posts made by others.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Their foundation is made of sand. They neither see nor hear.
We have discussed these issues for over 8 years. You do not understand Christ. You are a church follower. People like you cannot understand Christ because you are blind just like the Pharisees in the time of Christ could not see what Jesus was saying.
John 5
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
C'mon KJ. Enough with the deflection. You made the claims quoted in bold below:
[quote][b]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
[ ...[text shortened]... thing.
Would it kill you - for once- to set your pride aside and admit that you were wrong?[/b]
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Originally posted by @kellyjayI already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
I already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
Let's see.
I posted the following:
Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Jesus made it clear...If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.[/b]
Since I posted that, your responses to me in our discussion has been the following:
Nope
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Do you think when a man speaks by the Holy Spirit it is not of God, or that some how Jesus’ words would ever be in disagreement with the Holy Spirit, or contrary to the Spirit’ teaching?
You only believe in the red letters?
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Any time you quote any scripture without adding the whole Bible you are taking it out of
context. I quoted the point Jesus made, you want to show me how I used that text changes
it due to the other scripture left off feel free.
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As I told you last time you showed up, having the Holy Spirit share a truth is no different than Jesus saying it. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are always in agreement. That means if Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul, Moses, or anyone else God uses its God’s truth. Just because Jesus doesn’t say something that doesn’t mean it isn’t from God.
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Jesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
So are you calling Jesus your Lord now?
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You serving Jesus was a question, you seem gunho about someone serving the Lord properly. So you are not serving Jesus, but judging another’s servant as if your opinion matters.
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I already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
A flat out refusal to cite any passages followed by a lot of ducking and diving.
Not single line of scripture to be found. You're such a LIAR KJ!
It's what you do. It's who you are.