Originally posted by @thinkofoneOf course and that passage is clear. The Christians think that it is those who profess their faith and believe will be resurrected for eternal life.
Their foundation is made of sand. They neither see nor hear.
John 5
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; [b]those who ...[text shortened]... to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.[/b]
Originally posted by @rajk999That is part of it, but if you don't belong to the Lord nothing else will matter. If you do not
Of course and that passage is clear. The Christians think that it is those who profess their faith and believe will be resurrected for eternal life.
have God in your life it will not matter, if you are not serving the Lord it will not matter.
You take one part of the scripture and place it over all others, it isn't by our efforts, it is by
Christ we are saved and cleaned from our sins. We are saved by grace through faith, He
finished the job for us to restore us to God.
You were given several scriptures to see this and you ignored them. If you do not believe
in Him you are condemned already, why, because you haven't believed in the name of
the only Son of God.
John 3:18 English Standard Version (ESV)
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI gave the scriptures for the points I was making at the time, you think they don't apply for
[b]I already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
Let's see.
I posted the following:
[quote]Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do ...[text shortened]... le line of scripture to be found. You're such a LIAR KJ!
It's what you do. It's who you are.[/b]
those points, well man up and show me how.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYou're a LIAR KJ. There are no two ways about it. The proof is below.
I gave the scriptures for the points I was making at the time, you think they don't apply for
those points, well man up and show me how.
I posted the following:
Jesus made it clear...Believe on Jesus Christ, we are saved by grace through faith, not works, least any of boast about it.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.
Jesus made it clear...If you think you can be good enough for God to make
it into God's Kingdom by your own efforts, you will die in your sins.
Please cite all the passages where Jesus made ALL of the above clear. See if you can do it without taking verses out of context.[/b]
Since I posted that, the following contains ALL your responses to me in our discussion since:
Nope
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Do you think when a man speaks by the Holy Spirit it is not of God, or that some how Jesus’ words would ever be in disagreement with the Holy Spirit, or contrary to the Spirit’ teaching?
You only believe in the red letters?
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Any time you quote any scripture without adding the whole Bible you are taking it out of
context. I quoted the point Jesus made, you want to show me how I used that text changes
it due to the other scripture left off feel free.
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As I told you last time you showed up, having the Holy Spirit share a truth is no different than Jesus saying it. The Holy Spirit and Jesus are always in agreement. That means if Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, James, Paul, Moses, or anyone else God uses its God’s truth. Just because Jesus doesn’t say something that doesn’t mean it isn’t from God.
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Jesus made what clear? If you are going to complain about something I wrote quote me completely.
So are you calling Jesus your Lord now?
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You serving Jesus was a question, you seem gunho about someone serving the Lord properly. So you are not serving Jesus, but judging another’s servant as if your opinion matters.
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I already gave scripture for what we were.talking about. Do a little reading!
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I gave the scriptures for the points I was making at the time, you think they don't apply for
those points, well man up and show me how.
A flat out refusal to cite any passages followed by a lot of ducking and diving.
Not single line of scripture to be found. Just a lot of dishonesty and outright lying on your part.
You're a real piece of work KJ.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Jesus had the likes of KJ in mind when He said the following.
Of course and that passage is clear. The Christians think that it is those who profess their faith and believe will be resurrected for eternal life.
They are dishonest about what the Bible actually says and doesn't say. They are correspondingly dishonest in their dealings with people. Go figure.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me...
47“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
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Originally posted by @thinkofonePlease, you jumped into a conversation I was having and demanded things as if I were
Jesus had the likes of KJ in mind when He said the following.
They are dishonest about what the Bible actually says and doesn't say. They are correspondingly dishonest in their dealings with people. Go figure.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you ...[text shortened]... f God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
talking to you the whole time. If you want to discuss the points I was making with the
scripture I used, highlight what you think I was saying in error with the specific scripture
you think I was twisting. Demanding I produce things for your satisfaction is laughable
if it comes to serving Christ, since you cannot bring yourself to say it for your own life.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayThat John 3:18 verse is what the goats had told Jesus, and what the people who called Jesus Lord, Lord, said. You are cut from the same cloth. Calling lord lord, and professing your faith. But the ones who inherit the Kingdom of God are the sheep who do good works, the ones who follow Christ commandments.
That is part of it, but if you don't belong to the Lord nothing else will matter. If you do not
have God in your life it will not matter, if you are not serving the Lord it will not matter.
You take one part of the scripture and place it over all others, it isn't by our efforts, it is by
Christ we are saved and cleaned from our sins. We are saved by gra ...[text shortened]... ot believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
So there is something wrong with your doctrine because in every case when the judgment comes and when entry into the Kingdom of God is spoken of the entry requirement is good works and righteousness. Jesus and all the Apostles said it. Faith is just a starting point. Faith is not the end. This fact was clearly explained by Paul, Peter, James and John. Faith saves nobody. Faith without works is dead.
Clearly your church doctrine misses the mark. If you read the bible you would not have made that mistake. Faith, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ etc etc are just vehicles or methods or stimuli to get someone to live in righteousness. Only those who succeed in doing good works and living righteously will enter the Kingdom of God. Professing faith in the end is useless. Professing you have Gods Spirit and therefore you will walk out your life doing good works is just nonsense talk and words of a blabbermouth. The acid test is good works. Its either you do it and enter the Kingdom of God or you dont do it and you are cast out.
Your constant repeating that you are saved by grace means nothing.
All people are saved by grace.
Christ welcomes the righteous into the Kingdom of God
Talkers and hearers are cast out.
Your doctrine is an abject failure.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe facts are that you made false claims, refused to back them up and in subsequent posts have been repeatedly dishonest since.
Please, you jumped into a conversation I was having and demanded things as if I were
talking to you the whole time. If you want to discuss the points I was making with the
scripture I used, highlight what you think I was saying in error with the specific scripture
you think I was twisting. Demanding I produce things for your satisfaction is laughable
it comes to serving Christ, since you cannot bring yourself to say it for your own life.
Your current attempt to "spin" it into something else is a continuation of your dishonesty.
Jesus had the likes of you in mind when He said the following.
You are dishonest about what the Bible actually says and doesn't say. You are correspondingly dishonest in their dealings with people. Go figure.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me...
47“He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
Originally posted by @rajk999Goats and sheep as I pointed out to you, the sheep are walking with the Lord now, they
That John 3:18 verse is what the goats had told Jesus, and what the people who called Jesus Lord, Lord, said. You are cut from the same cloth. Calling lord lord, and professing your faith. But the ones who inherit the Kingdom of God are the sheep who do good works, the ones who follow Christ commandments.
So there is something wrong with your doctrine b ...[text shortened]... nto the Kingdom of God
Talkers and hearers are cast out.
Your doctrine is an abject failure.
know His voice. Never once denied we would or will be doing good works, what I have
denied is that it is those good works that earn us a spot into God's Kingdom. A fact I have
repeatedly told you which you ignore. We are not clean of our sins by doing good works.
You cannot even point to anything I have ever said that implies faith is the end. Faith is
the starting point it is where we begin our walk with the Lord by believing in Him. We
repent because of it, we are made right with God through God's grace by our faith, He
makes us right and from there we are restored to a right standing before God. Not to live
sinful lives but to live as unto Christ.
We cannot get good enough by doing good deeds to earn this, it is a gift of God.
If you do not have God's Spirit, you do not belong to God, no matter what you do.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIf your doctrine were true then all who lived before the time of Christ would be damned and all the Jews will be damned, because none of them believe in Christ. Many do good works and live righteously and they will be in the Kingdom of God.
Goats and sheep as I pointed out to you, the sheep are walking with the Lord now, they
know His voice. Never once denied we would or will be doing good works, what I have
denied is that it is those good works that earn us a spot into God's Kingdom. A fact I have
repeatedly told you which you ignore. We are not clean of our sins by doing good works.
Y ...[text shortened]... ift of God.
If you do not have God's Spirit, you do not belong to God, no matter what you do.
Again your doctrine is gross foolishness.
Originally posted by @thinkofonePick one false claim you think I made, we will address them one at a time.
The facts are that you made false claims, refused to back them up and in subsequent posts have been repeatedly dishonest since.
Your current attempt to "spin" it into something else is a continuation of your dishonesty.
Jesus had the likes of you in mind when He said the following.
You are dishonest about what the Bible actually says and doesn ...[text shortened]... f God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.”
Unless specifics are not things you do, like proclaim Jesus is your Lord and Savior.
Originally posted by @rajk999No one is going to get into the Kingdom if they don't believe in Jesus, they stand condemn
If your doctrine were true then all who lived before the time of Christ would be damned and all the Jews will be damned, because none of them believe in Christ. Many do good works and live righteously and they will be in the Kingdom of God.
Again your doctrine is gross foolishness.
before God right now.
Originally posted by @kellyjayPick one false claim you think I made, we will address them one at a time.
Pick one false claim you think I made, we will address them one at a time.
Unless specifics are not things you do, like proclaim Jesus is your Lord and Savior.
I've provided the specifics. I've repeatedly provided the specifics. That you're pretending that I haven't speaks to the depths of your dishonesty. For example, the second post on page 13.
What do you think makes you so dishonest? Not only dishonest, but apparently without conscience?
Originally posted by @thinkofonePick one if you want to discuss them or I'll just assume all you want to do is complain and
[b]Pick one false claim you think I made, we will address them one at a time.
I've provided the specifics. I've repeatedly provided the specifics. That you're pretending that I haven't speaks to the depths of your dishonesty. For example, the second post on page 13.
What do you think makes you so dishonest? Not only dishonest, but apparently without conscience?[/b]
move on, up to you.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYou pretended that I hadn't provided specifics. I pointed out to you that I had repeatedly provided specifics and even provided an example.
Pick one if you want to discuss them or I'll just assume all you want to do is complain and
move on, up to you.
Even at that, you're going to continue to pretend that I haven't provided specifics?
What part of the following didn't you understand?
I've provided the specifics. I've repeatedly provided the specifics. That you're pretending that I haven't speaks to the depths of your dishonesty. For example, the second post on page 13.
What do you think makes you so dishonest? Not only dishonest, but apparently without conscience?
You're as dishonest as they come KJ.