Please pray for this family....
26 Oct '12 08:13Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe that God chose not to answer the prayers of Whitney Heichel's family and friends or that God was powerless to stop the murder?
No
Kelly
26 Oct '12 08:16Originally posted by FMFI am not going to get into a spiritual discussion about all of that on this thread.
Do you believe that God chose not to answer the prayers of Whitney Heichel's family and friends or that God was powerless to stop the murder?
26 Oct '12 08:20Originally posted by KellyJayThe author of the OP didn't actually know the victim. But he did claim that he had proof that dreams work. Do you think that Whitney Heichel might have been saved if more people had prayed?
I am not going to get into a spiritual discussion about all of that on this thread.
You want to speak about these things without bringing in someone's name that
people here actually knew do that. Your heartlessness seems to know no bounds.
Kelly
26 Oct '12 08:28Originally posted by KellyJaySo how do you account for prayer not working in this instance?
No
Kelly
14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
26 Oct '12 08:31Originally posted by Proper KnobLast time I'm responding to anything in this thread.
So how do you account for prayer not working in this instance?
Take 1 John 5:14-15 -
14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
This passage indi ...[text shortened]... eturn. So if God heard the prayers and yet they weren't answered what do you put that down to?
26 Oct '12 08:401 editOriginally posted by KellyJaygalveston75 used this tragedy to make extravagant claims about his own ability to summon God's intervention. He even mentioned that he has "proof" that prayers work. I thought it was in poor taste actually. If you believe that it was not God's will that Whitney Heichel die, why didn't He respond to the prayers asking Him to intervene? On the other hand, if the tragedy is somehow intended for the greater good then why the recriminations now? galeveston75 used this sad case to make a point about the power of prayer, and therefore indirectly about God's will. If asking questions about this gets me mentioned in the same breath as "Satan" or called a "maggot", then so be it.
"My son knows this family and is obviously upset and my daughter and her family lives within two miles of their apartment.
Thanks...."
His family did and so it was personal, and you STILL are doing it, what a maggot
you are.
Kelly
26 Oct '12 08:51Originally posted by KellyJayBeing an ex-Christian, I know only too well the significance of being accused of doing "Satan's work" by a Christian. I think we can agree that me being accused of doing "Satan's work" by galveston75 is far more insulting than anything I have said to galveston75 on this thread.
what a maggot you are.
26 Oct '12 09:213 editsOriginally posted by FMFAs i recollect your main grievance was that Galveston used the thread as a form of self
galveston75 used this tragedy to make extravagant claims about his own ability to summon God's intervention. He even mentioned that he has "proof" that prayers work. I thought it was in poor taste actually. If you believe that it was not God's will that Whitney Heichel die, why didn't He respond to the prayers asking Him to intervene? On the other hand, if the t s gets me mentioned in the same breath as "Satan" or called a "maggot", then so be it.
26 Oct '12 09:46Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, I did explain why I thought his self-promotion and the timing of his promotion of his religionist agenda was in poor taste.
As i recollect your main grievance was that Galveston used the thread as a form of self promotion. Clearly this was not the case and as you could provide not a shred of evidence other than your own opinions borne of a cynical and callous disposition.
26 Oct '12 09:491 editOriginally posted by robbie carrobieWell now you are for all intents and purposes asking the same question as me. Do you believe that God chose not to answer the prayers of Whitney Heichel's family and friends because it was His will not to answer them, or do you believe that God was powerless to stop the murder?
Can you provide any evidence of a Christian stating that its gods will that she died or that it was for the greater good that she died? If not then what has led you to believe that they might think that its Gods will that she died or that it was for the greater good that she died, please explain.
26 Oct '12 09:52Originally posted by FMFNo i am not , i want to know why you would think that Christians might accept abduction and murder as being the will of God and that the abduction and murder of an innocent women is for the greater good, i know Christians do not profess these ideals, but i am not asking them, i am asking you why you think they might.
Well now you are for all intents and purposes asking the same question as me. Do you believe that God chose not to answer the prayers of Whitney Heichel's family and friends because it was His will not to answer them, or do you believe that God was powerless to stop the murder?
26 Oct '12 09:54Originally posted by FMFand asking whether the abduction and murder of an innocent women was for the
Well, I did explain why I thought his self-promotion and the timing of his promotion of his religionist agenda was in poor taste.
26 Oct '12 09:59Originally posted by robbie carrobieChristians talk about what must have been [and what mustn't have been] "God's will" all the time in the context of what they see as prayers that "work" and "unanswered prayers". KellyJay said that he didn't think it was "God's will" that Whitney Heichel die, so I asked KellyJay why He didn't respond to the prayers asking Him to intervene. I also asked KellyJay if the tragedy were somehow intended for the greater good - i.e. "in accordance with "God's will" - then why are there recriminations now.
...what has led you to believe that they might think that its Gods will that she died or that it was for the greater good that she died, please explain.
26 Oct '12 10:02Originally posted by robbie carrobieI was asking whether her death was perhaps for the greater good in so far as it was in accordance with "God's will". God declined to intervene after all, despite the prayers. Christians explain away terrible things as being "God's will" and thus "for the greater good" all the time.
and asking whether the abduction and murder of an innocent women was for the greater good is in good taste?
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