Please pray for this family....

Originally posted by FMF
Christians talk about what must have been [and what mustn't have been] "God's will" all the time in the context of what they see as prayers that "work" and "unanswered prayers". KellyJay said that he didn't think it was "God's will" that Whitney Heichel die, so I asked KellyJay why He didn't respond to the prayers asking Him to intervene. I also asked KellyJay ...[text shortened]... i.e. "in accordance with "God's will" - then why are there recriminations now.

because its in poor taste to ask whether Christians think that abduction and murder are for the greater good.

Originally posted by FMF
I was asking whether her death was perhaps for the greater good in so far as it was in accordance with "God's will". God declined to intervene after all, despite the prayers. Christians explain away terrible things as being "God's will" and thus "for the greater good" all the time.

no it simply doesn't seem to add up, surely no one thinks that abduction and murder are not only good, but also not for the greater good.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i am not , i want to know why you would think that Christians might accept abduction and murder as being the will of God and that the abduction and murder of an innocent women is for the greater good, i know Christians do not profess these ideals, but i am not asking them, i am asking you why you think they might.

As I said above, Christians explain away terrible things happening as being [often some deep and perplexing aspect of] "God's will" and thus possibly, probably, presumably "for the greater good" all the time.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no it simply doesn't seem to add up, surely no one thinks that abduction and murder are not only good, but also not for the greater good.

Well God did not answer the prayers. galveston75 says he has "proof" that prayers "work". It clearly wasn't "God's will" to allow these particular prayers to "work". Presumably God had other plans - and presumably God's plans are not for there to be a 'greater bad'.

Originally posted by FMF
As I said above, Christians explain away terrible things happening as being [often some deep and perplexing aspect of] "God's will" and thus possibly, probably, presumably "for the greater good" all the time.

I see, so we think that the murder and abduction of an innocent young women are for
the greater good and that she was murdered and abducted as part of Gods divine plan,
an interesting perspective.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
because its in poor taste to ask whether Christians think that abduction and murder are for the greater good.

Christians will surely accept the abduction and murder if they come to the conclusion that these events must have been in accordance with "God's will"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see, so we think that the murder and abduction of an innocent young women are for
the greater good and that she was murdered and abducted as part of Gods divine plan,
an interesting perspective.

Christians talk about the mysteries of "God's divine plan" all the time, more especially so when bad things happen and their prayers don't "work".

Originally posted by FMF
Christians will surely accept the abduction and murder if they come to the conclusion that these events must have been in accordance with "God's will"?

and when do Christians ever talk of murder and abduction as being for the greater
good, can you cite a single example?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and when do Christians ever talk of murder and abduction as being for the greater
good, can you cite a single example?

jaywill, for example, once suggested that it may have been "God's will" to allow the Holocaust to happen because it resulted in the Jews returning to their 'homeland'. That's a pretty big example. Then there have been countless martyrs, saints etc. whose sacrifices have been rationalized as being in accordance with "God's will" or part of a "divine plan" and thus of benefit to those they left behind and to the long term profession of the faith they adhered to.

Originally posted by FMF
jaywill, for example, once suggested that it may have been "God's will" to allow the Holocaust to happen because it resulted in the Jews returning to their 'homeland'. That's a pretty big example. Then there have been countless martyrs, saints etc. whose sacrifices have been rationalized as being in accordance with "God's will" or part of a "divine plan" and thu ...[text shortened]... those they left behind and to the long term profession of the faith they adhered to.

I think we get the message eff em eff, you think that christians view murder and abduction as part of the greater good and Gods will, thanks for your honesty.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think we get the message eff em eff, you think that christians view murder and abduction as part of the greater good and Gods will, thanks for your honesty.

No need to reword what I have said and then sneer at your version, robbie, my writing is clear. If Christians interpret the failure of their prayers to "work" as hoped for or anticipated, there will presumably be those who will interpret the outcome as "God's will" and part of a "divine plan". I have met countless Christians who subscribe lock stock and barrel to the God-Moves-In-Mysterious-Ways prism and Who-Are-We-To-Question-God's Plans-For-Us prism over the years, and I have no doubt you have too. My questions to KellyJay were intended to elicit from him whether or not he was one of them.

Originally posted by FMF
No need to reword what I have said and then sneer at your version, robbie, my writing is clear. If Christians interpret the failure of their prayers to "work" as hoped for or anticipated, there will presumably be those who will interpret the outcome as "God's will" and part of a "divine plan". I have met countless Christians who subscribe lock stock and barrel t ...[text shortened]... uestions to KellyJay were intended to elicit from him whether or not he was one of them.

what about rape and paedophilia, do christians also view these as part of the greater
good and gods will FMF?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what about rape and paedophilia, do christians also view these as part of the greater
good and gods will FMF?

You're blanking out what I am actually saying to you, robbie. Christians explain away terrible things as being "God's will" and thus "for the greater good" in so far as they form part of a "divine plan", and they do so all the time, always have done, right down through history. If they don't explain the terrible things away in this way, then, no, they won't "view these as part of the greater good". You seem to be getting upset with your own reworded versions of what I am saying. Just stick to what I am actually saying. There is no problem with my ability to communicate in writing.

Originally posted by FMF
You're blanking out what I am actually saying to you, robbie. Christians explain away terrible things as being "God's will" and thus "for the greater good" in so far as they form part of a "divine plan", and they done so all the time, always have done, right down through history. If they don't explain the terrible things away in this way, then, no, they won't "v ...[text shortened]... I am actually saying. There is no problem with my ability to communicate in writing.

couldn't bring yourself to answer the question less you incriminate yourself, that's fine
FMF, we understand that you think Christians view abduction and murder and who
knows what else as Gods will for the greater good. Carry on.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
couldn't bring yourself to answer the question less you incriminate yourself, that's fine
FMF, we understand that you think Christians view abduction and murder and who
knows what else as Gods will for the greater good. Carry on.

You're ignoring what I am saying, rewriting it, and then commenting on your owm version. Why not just address what I am saying?

If Christians view something like an "abduction and murder" as "God's will" and part of a "divine plan" - and well they might if their prayers that so often "work", do not "work" - then presumably they will see God - moving in His proverbial "mysterious ways" - as having some plan "for the greater good" that humans may not be able to conceive of. I have met countless Christians who subscribe to exactly this view, as I am sure you have too.

My question to KellyJay was intended to ascertain whether he is one of these 'it's-not-for-me-to-question's-God's-plans-for-us Christians. Apparently he is not. I suspect that galveston75 is, but it remains to be seen.

I have been really clear and relatively brief. There really is no need for you to be taking pots shots at your inferior paraphrasings of the points I am making.