Practical politics and practical spirituality

@fmf said
This is not true.

Yes it is.
If you are a non-believing atheist, you cannot judge who a true believing Christian is, if one claims to be one.
Your judgment of what a Christian has to believe to be called a Christian, is absolutely meaningless coming from an atheist.

@kingdavid403 said
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-39153121

"A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus."

In that case, 25% of those in the UK who describe themselves as Christians aren't.

@fmf said
"A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus."

In that case, 25% of those in the UK who describe themselves as Christians aren't.

When I said this on page 11, you replied: "Correct, your way of thinking; which, I personally agree with by the way."

@kingdavid403 said
If you are a non-believing atheist, you cannot judge who a true believing Christian is, if one claims to be one.
As you know, that's fairly scriptural. Paraphrased of course.

I'm not judging anyone's beliefs. I am pointing out the error in labelling. I am defending the meaning of a word. Earlier on this thread you explicitly agreed with me.

@fmf said
"A quarter of people who describe themselves as Christians in Great Britain do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus."

In that case, 25% of those in the UK who describe themselves as Christians aren't.

As an atheist, your opinion means absolutely nothing in such a spiritual matter.

@fmf said
I'm not judging anyone's beliefs. I am pointing out the error in labelling. I am defending the meaning of a word. Earlier on this thread you explicitly agreed with me.

I agreed with you spiritually, and you don't believe in that. So, your spiritual opinion of what a Christian must believe to be called a true Christian is absolutely worthless. Because your requirements of what a true Christian has to believe is only made with spiritual judgment. Which you don't believe in.

@kingdavid403 said
As an atheist, your opinion means absolutely nothing in such a spiritual matter.

This is a logically fallacious non-argument.

@kingdavid403 said
So, your spiritual opinion of what a Christian must believe to be called a true Christian is absolutely worthless.

It's a matter of terminology and language. My own spirituality is irrelevant. There is nothing to be gained in discourse from calling non-Christians "Christians". People who do NOT believe that Jesus's life and death actually happened aren't "Christians". The Christian Bible does NOT say that Jesus didn’t live, didn’t die, and didn’t rise from the dead.

@kingdavid403 said
Because your requirements of what a true Christian has to believe is only made with spiritual judgment. Which you don't believe in.

I am not using "spiritual judgement".

@fmf said
This is a logically fallacious non-argument.

No it is not. It's truth.

@fmf said
I am not using "spiritual judgement".

When you're judging people by their beliefs, on who a true Christian is, then Yes, you are spiritually judging them; and, you don't believe in that; so it's worthless.

@kingdavid403 said
No it is not. It's truth.

You are mistaken. Look up the meaning of "ad hominem".

@kingdavid403 said
When you're judging people by their beliefs, on who a true Christian is, then Yes, you are spiritually judging them; and, you don't believe in that.

No. Again you are mistaken. It's a matter of language and theology.

@fmf said
You are mistaken. Look up the meaning of "ad hominem".

Is this a joke? The only "ad hominem" around here is you. Get a clue fool.

@fmf said
Similarly, I think a Jew or Christian - or agnostic atheist like me - can say, categorically, without error - that a person claiming to be a Muslim who, nevertheless, believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God, is not a Muslim.

It's no surprise, of course, that you have blanked out the above point.