@kingdavid403 saidAbout how people who believe that Jesus's life, death, and resurrection never actually happened are not "Christians".
Your stance about what? Fallacy's again? lol...
@kingdavid403 saidMe being an agnostic atheist has no relevance. Christianity is founded on core beliefs.
An atheist stance on What Christians need to believe to be a true Christian?
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-Removed-I believe (suspect) that have been and still are are people who are led by the spirit of God without ever knowing the name of “Jesus”.
That really was my case; other than knowing His name and hearing that He was Good and loving.
Unless you want to count the couple times I watched Jim and Tammy Baker, or Jimmy Swaggart. Which actually had a negative impact on my belief; and, my view of believers at that time.
@KingDavid403
I think a Jew or Christian or Hindu or Sikh - and an agnostic atheist like me too - can say, categorically, without error - that a person claiming to be a Muslim who, nevertheless, believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God, is not a Muslim. Presumably, you agree, right?
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@fmf saidI don't care what you think; especially on spiritual matters that you do not believe in.
@KingDavid403
I think a Jew or Christian or Hindu or Sikh - and an agnostic atheist like me too - can say, categorically, without error - that a person claiming to be a Muslim who, nevertheless, believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God, is not a Muslim. Presumably, you agree, right?
Ask a Muslim if Jesus is coming back to rule the world and defeat evil.
@kingdavid403 saidYou are selling yourself short with this silly banter.
I don't care what you think; especially on spiritual matters that you do not believe in.
@fmf said@KingDavid403
I think a Jew or Christian or Hindu or Sikh - and an agnostic atheist like me too - can say, categorically, without error - that a person claiming to be a Muslim who, nevertheless, believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God, is not a Muslim. Presumably, you agree, right?
Don't flee from this point about the core belief of Muslims. It is instructive in the conversation we have been having.
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@fmf saidIf truth is silly banter to you, then so be it.
You are selling yourself short with this silly banter.
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@fmf saidGo ask a Muslim if Jesus (Isa) is coming back to rule the world and defeat evil.
@KingDavid403
Don't flee from this point about the core belief of Muslims. It is instructive in the conversation we have been having.
If they are a legitimate Muslim, then there answer will be yes.
@kingdavid403 saidOne of the core Islamic beliefs is that the prophet Jesus "...will descend to earth shortly before Judgement Day, in the midst of wars fought against the false messiah and his followers, to come to the aid of the Mahdi [the true messiah] and his Muslim followers." [wiki]
Ask a Muslim if Jesus is coming back to rule the world and defeat evil.
@kingdavid403 saidMuslims do not believe that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God. So you or I can say, categorically, without error - that a person who claims to be a Muslim is not one if he believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God rather than a prophet. You can say this [even though you are a Christian] and I can say it {even though I am an agnostic atheist].
Go ask a Muslim if Jesus (Isa) is coming back to rule the world and defeat evil.
If they are a legitimate Muslim, then there answer will be yes.
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@fmf said[wiki] is not a good reference on this issue. However, it looks fairly accurate from what I know.
One of the core Islamic beliefs is that the prophet Jesus "...will descend to earth shortly before Judgement Day, in the midst of wars fought against the false messiah and his followers, to come to the aid of the Mahdi [the true messiah] and his Muslim followers." [wiki]
@fmf saidYou can't say anything factual on something you don't believe in. Ah Duh...
Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God. So you or I can say, categorically, without error - that a person who claims to be a Muslim is not one if he believes that Jesus was God incarnate/ the Son of God rather than a prophet. You can say this [even though you are a Christian] and I can say it {even though I am an agnostic atheist].
@kingdavid403 saidYes that's one of the core beliefs of Islam that makes an adherent's claim to be a Muslim valid.
Go ask a Muslim if Jesus (Isa) is coming back to rule the world and defeat evil.
If they are a legitimate Muslim, then there answer will be yes.
Similarly, one of the core beliefs of Christianity that makes an adherent's claim to be a Christian valid is the belief that Jesus actually lived and actually rose from the dead in an act of atonement for mankind's "sins".
Someone who believes Jesus's life "never actually happened" cannot claim to be a Christian.
@kingdavid403 saidOf course I can and so can you. You are not a Muslim and you don't believe in the tenets of the Muslim faith but you just posted something factual about one of the core beliefs of Islam.
You can't say anything factual on something you don't believe in. Ah Duh...