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Originally posted by FMFWhy don't you answer the six questions before you march on with your juggernaut strawman.
I do not fear the things you imagine. When have I ever said that? I just find your moral compass ~ in this matter of you finding it personally easier for you [for forgiving people] if you remind yourself that people who mistreat you will be punished with torture in burning agony for eternity ~ to be utterly dysfunctional.
What I SAID I reminded myself of was that ALL deserve to be prayed for.
4.) And all deserve to be prayed for to be saved.
You have a good memory, its just short.
Originally posted by sonshipYou said something about "obeying God's command to believe into Christ". If you think people will be judged and punished for what they do and do not believe, then I think the label thoughtcrimes fits.
[Exaggeration to Orwellian "thought crimes" can be pushed to a ridiculous extreme.
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Originally posted by sonshipThere is no straw man. You admitted that the idea of those who have mistreated you will be burning in eternal agony carries "a great benefit" to your personal exercise of your Christianity and the thought of this unspeakably cruel vengeance visited upon them by your God figure makes you feel you can forgive those people. There is no straw man. Whether you pray for these people does not redeem you having said this. In fact it sounds like you sneering.
Why don't you answer the six questions before you march on with your juggernaut strawman.
Originally posted by FMFAnd since EVERYTHING can not be said in one short manageable post, I now add to this
You said something about "obeying God's command to believe into Christ". If you think people will be judged and punished for what they do and do not believe, then I think the label thoughtcrimes fits.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.”
I know you are for "short and concise" but for rather weighty matters like this, I like to know not only what is written but what else is written.
Try it sometime.
And since EVERYTHING can not be said in one short manageable post, I now add to this
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.”
I know you are for "short and concise" but for rather weighty matters like this, I like to know not only what is written but what else is written.
Try it sometime.
Originally posted by sonshipIt's either about "obeying God's command to believe into Christ", as you claimed, which is about belief and not "words", or it's not. Which is it to be?
[b] Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned.”[/b]
Originally posted by FMFThere is a straw man because you intentionally overlook continually that I wrote in the same post that I believed ALL deserved to be prayed for.
There is no straw man. You admitted that the idea of those who have mistreated you will be burning in eternal agony carries "a great benefit" to your personal exercise of your Christianity and the thought of this unspeakably cruel vengeance visited up[on them by your God figure makes you feel you can forgive those people. There is no straw man. Whether you pray for these people does not redeem you having said this. In fact it sounds like you sneering.
The URGENCY of the need of all men is on my heart.
There is something MORE important than my personal offense.
So your argument is a dishonest half truth at best and a strawman argument.
Originally posted by sonshipAnd I think your stuff about praying for them is meaningless in the context of your horrendous beliefs about those who "mistreat" you and how it "helps you greatly" to think of them being tortured in burning agony for eternity.
There is a straw man because you intentionally overlook continually that I [b] wrote in the same post that I believed ALL deserved to be prayed for.[/b]
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Originally posted by sonshipNot at all. Just so anyone reading might be distracted by your fumbling rationalizations, here is what you wrote, verbatim:
So your argument is a dishonest half truth at best and a strawman argument.
Actually, the teaching of God's terrible final calling of all people to an account of some kind helps me greatly in the matter of forgiving my enemies and those who mistreat me.
The idea of the awefulness of God's judgment when negative, carries a great benefit to my present day Christian walk. I can forgive those who have mistreated me because I know that all final vengence is God's. And all deserve to be prayed for to be saved.
This is real forgiveness of others through the fear of God.
Such a belief does great benefit to my, as you put it, "moral compass."
Originally posted by FMFThankyou,
Not at all. Just so anyone reading might be distracted by your fumbling rationalizations, here is what you wrote, verbatim:
[b]Actually, the teaching of God's terrible final calling of all people to an account of some kind helps me greatly in the matter of forgiving my enemies and those who mistreat me.
The idea of the awefulness of God's judgment when ne ...[text shortened]... h the fear of God.
Such a belief does great benefit to my, as you put it, "moral compass."[/b]
And including the portion that you have a mental block against:
And all deserve to be prayed for to be saved.
This is real forgiveness of others through the fear of God.
Originally posted by FMF
And I think your stuff about praying for them is meaningless in the context of your horrendous beliefs about those who "mistreat" you and how it "helps you greatly" to think of them being tortured in burning agony for eternity.
And I think your stuff about praying for them is meaningless in the context of your horrendous beliefs about those who "mistreat" you and how it "helps you greatly" to think of them being tortured in burning agony for eternity.
Sure that "stuff" is meaningless because you have an accusation to make which obsesses you.
Sure, what does not confirm your accusation is "meaningless".
Originally posted by sonship[/b]There is no "mental block". In the midst of what you have said and what you clearly meant, your comment about prayer is neither here or there. In this respect, yours is a hideous ideology that I would never seek to emulate. The personalized nature of how it "helps you greatly" to think of people who do not obey "God's command to believe into Christ" being tortured in burning agony for eternity cannot be redeemed with "words" about prayer.
Thankyou,
And including the portion that you have a mental block against:
[b] And all deserve to be prayed for to be saved.
This is real forgiveness of others through the fear of God.
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Originally posted by FMFFail. Moving on to torture.
And I think your stuff about praying for them is meaningless in the context of your horrendous beliefs about those who "mistreat" you and how it "helps you greatly" to think of them being tortured in burning agony for eternity.
them being tortured in burning agony for eternity.
Do you think a criminal who is confined to prison is unrighteous of the criminal system if he complains that it is agonizing?
Yes or No how about ?
If he is warned as a potential offender that punishment he will find agonizing, is that unrighteous of human government?
Yes or No?
Suppose such a criminal would rather be agonized then go through the seemingly greater agony for him to obey the law? Whose fault is it that he is agonized when sentenced ?
He was warned.