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    Where do you draw the line on what is literal or not?

    Non-literalist Christians agree that the 6-day creation or Global Flood is not literal, and some Christians would even say hell is not literal because God is loving and wouldn't do that.

    But by this same logic, couldn't God himself be non-literal? Maybe God is just an allegory of the concept of morality and there is no afterlife or God.

    If you believe the Creation, Flood, or a the commandment to stone women for adultery are just allegories, how do you justify that the existence of God himself isn't just an allegory?
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    @vivify said
    Where do you draw the line on what is literal or not?
    Not sure what you mean by “draw the line” in this context. Is there a list of questionable literalisms in descending order of incredibility under which I should a line where I think incredibility finishes and credibility begins?
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    @vivify said
    If you believe the Creation, Flood, or a the commandment to stone women for adultery are just allegories, how do you justify that the existence of God himself isn't just an allegory?
    Faith.
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    @vivify said
    Where do you draw the line on what is literal or not?

    Non-literalist Christians agree that the 6-day creation or Global Flood is not literal, and some Christians would even say hell is not literal because God is loving and wouldn't do that.

    But by this same logic, couldn't God himself be non-literal? Maybe God is just an allegory of the concept of morality and there ...[text shortened]... ry are just allegories, how do you justify that the existence of God himself isn't just an allegory?
    Christians dont generally concern themselves with any of those things.
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    @rajk999 said
    Christians dont generally concern themselves with any of those things.
    Talking snakes, women turning to pillars of salt, 6-day creation....I can see why any Christian would not want to look silly by believing those things.

    Sadly, too many Christians do actually take the Bible literally.
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    @vivify said
    Talking snakes, women turning to pillars of salt, 6-day creation....I can see why any Christian would not want to look silly by believing those things.

    Sadly, too many Christians do actually take the Bible literally.
    If you can see why “any Christian would not want to look silly” in believing those things, then who are the “too many” group of Christians who do?
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    @vivify said
    Talking snakes, women turning to pillars of salt, 6-day creation....I can see why any Christian would not want to look silly by believing those things.

    Sadly, too many Christians do actually take the Bible literally.
    Yet how many today believe a person is what they consider themselves, even if genderless. Not to mention all that is going hand and hand in the world. If I remember correctly don’t you follow this line of thought?
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    Yet how many today believe a person is what they consider themselves, even if genderless. Not to mention all that is going hand and hand in the world. If I remember correctly don’t you follow this line of thought?
    No, I don't follow this line of thought.

    My philosophy is live and let live, so long as your life doesn't harm anyone else. That includes trans people. I also try to be understanding of why people do what they do, even if I don't completely agree.
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    @vivify said
    No, I don't follow this line of thought.

    My philosophy is live and let live, so long as your life doesn't harm anyone else. That includes trans people. I also try to be understanding of why people do what they do, even if I don't completely agree.
    Clearly your philosophy .. live and let live, so long as your life doesn't harm anyone else .. , does not apply to literalist Christians. Anyway apparently no Christian seems to care too much about your post, because you appear to be ridiculing them.

    Also what the poster seems to be saying is that you people who removed God from your lives seem to be up to your neck in confusion.... BLM, WOKE, Gender mayhem, sexual immorality and the impending civil war about to start in the US. Maybe you need to focus on your own mess that you created and try to fix that instead of trying to belittle Christians.
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    @rajk999 said
    Clearly your philosophy .. live and let live, so long as your life doesn't harm anyone else .. , does not apply to literalist Christians.
    Christians who take the Bible literally are the ones ruining every one else's lives, like discriminating against gays. It's those types of Christians who are trying to take science out of classrooms and replace it with myths like creationism. It's also those types of Christians who tend to be racist right-wingers like the KKK.

    Literalist Christians actively harm other people and therefore deserve ridicule.
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    @vivify said
    Christians who take the Bible literally are the ones ruining every one else's lives, like discriminating against gays. It's those types of Christians who are trying to take science out of classrooms and replace it with myths like creationism. It's also those types of Christians who tend to be racist right-wingers like the KKK.

    Literalist Christians actively harm other people and therefore deserve ridicule.
    In America maybe, where right wing Christian zealots such as KellyJay and Josephw live and attend church. Elsewhere are plenty of biblical literalists who aren’t in anyway politicising their beliefs.
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    @vivify
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    In " RHP: THE MOVIE" you will be played by Jeremy Statham.
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    @vivify said
    Christians who take the Bible literally are the ones ruining every one else's lives, like discriminating against gays. It's those types of Christians who are trying to take science out of classrooms and replace it with myths like creationism. It's also those types of Christians who tend to be racist right-wingers like the KKK.

    Literalist Christians actively harm other people and therefore deserve ridicule.
    Seems like there is an easy solution to this. Let there be 2 types of schools. One teaching Christian values and another teaching Woke/BLM/LGBTQ stuff. Should not be too hard to do. That way Christians dont get to teach your kids the nonsense in the bible, and gays dont get to indoctrinate and convert Christian kids.

    Here we have the San Francisco Gay Chior singing about their plan to indoctrinate kids to be like them ...

    https://consequence.net/2021/07/well-convert-your-children-san-francisco-gay-mens-chorus/

    Christians will be happy to stay in their own corner.... although I suspect that is not what the other group wants.
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    @vivify said
    Christians who take the Bible literally are the ones ruining every one else's lives, like discriminating against gays. It's those types of Christians who are trying to take science out of classrooms and replace it with myths like creationism. It's also those types of Christians who tend to be racist right-wingers like the KKK.

    Literalist Christians actively harm other people and therefore deserve ridicule.
    Tell me what you see in the liberal party you are a part of that actually acts they way you’re describing. So if I believe in another way than you I’m a racist right winger if I don’t convert. How many you have you met like what your mind makes up here. Can you not look within at yourself and your party and see who the bigot’s, racist, hypocrite’s really are?
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