Questions on morality

Originally posted by avalanchethecat

You're really struggling with the idea of a hypothetical situation aren't you?

Yes. That particular one is so dumb.

You just have to accept the premise, you're not allowed to try to wriggle out of it.

I didn't wiggle out. I showed you how I would reason and react in that kind of hypothetical fantasy.

I met it head on dude.
Is that all you have ?

Edit: Also, you don't know the mind of your god.

I know something about the mind of God. He has given us the Bible which is much of a record of the mind of God.

My reaction to your fantasy was very much based on what I do know about the mind of God AS He has revealed that mind to us.

He was a vengeful

Well, I take into account the "vengeance" taken upon Christ on Calvary for the sins of all sinners. I take a moment to notice how in Christ, God's wrath against sin fell so that in love I might be saved.

and murderous tyrant once,

Are you a Richard Dawkins wannabe?
In the last 48 hours what has God coerced you into doing "tyrant" style?

You have had many years of happy preoccupation with things which you enjoy.
Did the "tyrant" God strike you down with lightening each time you insulted or blasphemed Him ?

You're slave to the "tyrant" God. You are more a slave to your own habits, some of which you'd probably prefer had less of a rule over you.

Jesus Christ is not the tyrant ruling over you.
But your affictions, habits, weaknesses, and foul moods of various kinds do have a tyrannical reign over you.

Eventually, death itself will have a tyrannical power over you.
The Bible is trying to tell you of the One who can make you free indeed.

maybe he will be again. Maybe tomorrow. You don't know any better than I do, you just know your book, which wasn't written by god.

Who do you think wrote a book which, when the travelling Magi sought to know where a King of the Jews might be born, they referred to a prophecy Micah chapter 5. The prophet Micah wrote between 737 to 696 BC.

"Bethlehem" was the answer from the experts in the Hebrew Bible. "Bethlehem" is the place you should look for the birth of such a unusual person. One proclaiming and more importantly acting like the Messiah of Israel ? Bethlehem is where you should look.

Can you explain to me how Jesus was able to do that ?
And that is just one example.

You're really struggling with the idea of a hypothetical situation aren't you?

Please don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. I told you that your scenario was dumb.

I'll tell you what. I'll supply you with something better. Why not use God telling Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac ?

That would be a tough one for me to deal with. And it would be more effective because it is in the Holy Bible itself. Its just a suggestion. I'm up for a challenge tonight.

But that computer game, lame, flight-headed daydream about the angel ?
Do you REALLY think that was some kind of challenge ??

You just have to accept the premise, you're not allowed to try to wriggle out of it.

lol
OK dude! Uncle! Uncle! LOL!

Edit: Also, you don't know the mind of your god.

Very much of the mind of God, the purpose of God, the plan of God, and many records of how God would react have been given to us in the record.

We have along history of His interaction with the nation of Israel and His interaction with the Christian church letting us know something about His mind.

i know something about the mind of God. And I know that in your example you are doing something which is unlike the mind of God. And that is WHAT He speaks to man is usually based upon what He has already SAID in His book.

You came off with some totally flight-headed juvenile fantasy reminiscent of X-box or play-station computer game. Your details were pretty arbitrary, wild, uncharacteristic of much that God has already manifested to us.

The sadly amusing part is that you think you did such a good job.
The lampoon told us more about you than the God of the Bible.

He was a vengeful and murderous tyrant once, maybe he will be again. Maybe tomorrow. You don't know any better than I do, you just know your book, which wasn't written by god.

You must be vehemently Pro-Life.
Are you strongly Anti-Abortion in your ideology ?

Or should I expect you to start tap-dancing now?

Vengeful? Well, has anyone ever REALLY done you dirt and gotten clean away with it?
Think on it for a moment. Has ANYONE ... ever really done some dirt to you and never apologized, never made restitution, never said "I'm sorry" ?

Is there no one at all in your life that you feel calls for some restitution ?
Anyone ever steal from you?
Anyone ever physically hurt you for no reason?


I think probably when God says "Vengence is Mine. I will repay" you probably could think of a few people to whom you'd just assume see that applied.

Well, vengence of a Righteous God is not unrealistic.

On the other hand, is there ANYONE who YOU did dirt to and got clean away?
I think so dude. I think there are probably person or two who would be smiling at the sight of you on your deathbed.

Upon this backround, it is impressive to me to know God is long-suffering, giving time for sinners to repent and be saved. Upon this black-round, I am impressed that His vengeance fell upon His Son (innocent and perfect and righteous) to PAY the debt that you and I and other sinners OWE God.

The mind of God is not exhaustively revealed in Joshua.
Go on to John and maybe Luke.
He will forgive. But He will forgive demonstrating that SINS must be judged.

The lack of thanksgiving and appreciation you show for this by blaspheming God makes the real monster, you.

Originally posted by sonship
Vengeful? Well, has anyone ever REALLY done you dirt and gotten clean away with it?
Think on it for a moment. Has ANYONE ... ever really done some dirt to you and never apologized, never made restitution, never said "I'm sorry" ?

The thing your torturer god figure is vengeful for is thoughtcrime, though, isn't it? The whole perverted "morality" and "justice" thing you imagine and peddle is an Orwellian dystopia.

Originally posted by sonship
The lack of thanksgiving and appreciation you show for this by blaspheming God makes the real monster, you.

avalanchethecat's 'failure' to beleive the stuff you believe makes him "the real monster"?

Your ideology has led you to believe and declare that avalanchethecat is a "monster"?

Originally posted by FMF
The thing your torturer god figure is vengeful for is thoughtcrime, though, isn't it? The whole perverted "morality" and "justice" thing you imagine and peddle is an Orwellian dystopia.

You clearly don't understand the Bible if you think someone is tortured for eternity for only a thought crime.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You clearly don't understand the Bible if you think someone is tortured for eternity for only a thought crime.

My comment is not about your or my understanding of the Bible. My comment is about what sonship has claimed here about his torturer god figure.

Originally posted by FMF
My comment is not about your or my understanding of the Bible. My comment is about what sonship has claimed here about his torturer god figure.

And I think you may have misunderstood what he said or you are putting words in his mouth. Also if you want to judge the actions of God you first have to assume he does exist. If he does exist, he will be judging you for your actions and not the other way around.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
And I think you may have misunderstood what he said or you are putting words in his mouth.

Neither. I understand sonship's supertsitious beliefs very well indeed. He has written thousands and thousands of words about it

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Also if you want to judge the actions of God you first have to assume he does exist. If he does exist, he will be judging you for your actions and not the other way around.

Don't be daft. I'm not judging "the actions of God". I am just responding to the ludicrous ideology that sonship peddles.

Originally posted by FMF
Don't be daft. I'm not judging "the actions of God". I am just responding to the ludicrous ideology that sonship peddles.

You are making a moral judgement on the supposed actions of God, are you not?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You are making a moral judgement on the supposed actions of God, are you not?

I am offering my opinion on the odious man made ideology that sonship propagates.

Originally posted by FMF
I am offering my opinion on the odious man made ideology that sonship propagates.

The subjective opinions that are a product of your own ideology, where no one's opinions can be universally true to start off with. So what then makes your opinions true and his opinions false if that is even what you believe.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The subjective opinions that are a product of your own ideology, where no one's opinions can be universally true to start off with. So what then makes your opinions true and his opinions false if that is even what you believe.

Why are you starting up with all this again?

Originally posted by FMF
Why are you starting up with all this again?

Because I see no point in debating personal preferences on morality. If there is no single objectively correct answer to a question of morality, nobody is objectively right or wrong. I am bringing this up because you continue to blank this out.