Questions on morality

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You have not answered this question:

If I were to ask you, "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" and you were to answer "yes". Would that answer of yours be the only objectively correct answer to that particular question of morality or could the answer "no" also be correct?

Yes I have addressed your point about supposedly "objectively correct answers".

Originally posted by FMF
I have never claimed any of my personal beliefs or opinions on supernatural matters to be "objectively correct answers" so your question is a gimmick. You don't provide me with any "objectively correct answers" on supernatural matters, even if you pretentiously claim you do. Trying to insert this silly terminology into the disagreement between us is merely a gimmick.

Ok you obviously don't like the word 'objective' for obvious reasons. Let me remove it and try again:

If I were to ask you, "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" and you were to answer "yes". Would that answer of yours be the only correct answer to that particular question of morality or could the answer "no" also be correct?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If I were to ask you, "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" and you were to answer "yes". Would that answer of yours be the only correct answer to that particular question of morality or could the answer "no" also be correct?

You're still talking about your notion of "objectively correct answers" regarding supernatural phenomena, obviously. You believe that your superstitious beliefs about morality ~ based on your belief in your god figure ~ provide us all with "objectively correct answers" about moral matters. I do not think that you provide us with anything of the sort.

I don't share your superstitions, so quite clearly I believe that you are mistaken to root your mind map and moral stances in such mythology. If I think you are mistaken, then I obviously do not believe you are "correct".

If I believed that you were "correct" and that I was "wrong" about all this, I would presumably be a Christian like you. But I don't, so I'm not.

Originally posted by FMF

Well, the idea of 'justifiable' rape is unimaginable to me, as is "torturing babies for fun". I can't think of a scenario, and neither could you. What other moral issues have I supposedly declared my answer to be "the only correct one"? If you want to label my stance on rape and torturing babies as part of some sort of "universal truth", then go for it. Call it what you want.

What other aspects of my moral stances constitute "universal truths" in your view? And, aside from the matters of rape and torturing babies, what other aspects of your own personal moral stances on things constitute "universal truths" in your view?

BUMP

Originally posted by FMF
You're still talking about your notion of "objectively correct answers" regarding supernatural phenomena, obviously. You believe that your superstitious beliefs about morality ~ based on your belief in your god figure ~ provide us all with "objectively correct answers" about moral matters. I do not think that you provide us with anything of the sort.

I don't ...[text shortened]... was "wrong" about all this, I would presumably be a Christian like you. But I don't, so I'm not.

So tell me firstly how you know that I am mistaken to root my mind map and moral stances in such 'mythology'. And secondly tell me where the correct place would be to root my mind map and moral stances. This is a serious question.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk

So tell me firstly how you know that I am mistaken to root my mind map and moral stances in such 'mythology'.

By "know", you mean "believe", yes?

I believe you are mistaken to root your mind map and moral stances in superstition and mythology.

And secondly tell me where the correct place would be to root my mind map and moral stances.

You must find your own way in life.

But if you are going to propagate, in public, your notions of angels and demons and deities and your own immortality, you need to realize that non-Christians are not going to buy in to your incredible premises and assumptions.

Furthermore, you need to realize that labelling your own notions and perceptions "objective" and "universal" and "absolute", while it might work when you are jabbering away to someone who already agrees with you, is scarcely going to get you anywhere with people who can see right through the rhetorical tricks, especially when you repeat them over and over and over again.

Originally posted by FMF
[b]So tell me firstly how you know that I am mistaken to root my mind map and moral stances in such 'mythology'.

By "know", you mean "believe", yes?

I believe you are mistaken to root your mind map and moral stances in superstition and mythology.

And secondly tell me where the correct place would be to root my mind map and moral stances.
...[text shortened]... ght through the rhetorical tricks, especially when you repeat them over and over and over again.[/b]

By "know", you mean "believe", yes?

Do you agree that you can't know this?

I believe you are mistaken to root your mind map and moral stances in superstition and mythology.

Why do you believe I am mistaken to root my mind map and moral stances in what you label to be 'superstition and mythology'?

You must find your own way in life.

So you are saying if my way in life leads me to Christianity I would be mistaken but any other way would be correct?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
[b]By "know", you mean "believe", yes?

Do you agree that you can't know this?

I believe you are mistaken to root your mind map and moral stances in superstition and mythology.

Why do you believe I am mistaken to root my mind map and moral stances in what you label to be 'superstition and mythology'?

You must find your own way ...[text shortened]... my way in life leads me to Christianity I would be mistaken but any other way would be correct?

This has all been covered before. If you are not interested in the conversation moving on, and only want to rake over the same questions over and over and over again, you should just talk to someone else.

Originally posted by FMF
This has all been covered before. If you are not interested in the conversation moving on, and only want to rake over the same questions over and over and over again, you should just talk to someone else.

You clearly have unresolved issues with the Christian faith, if you say any other way but the Christian way is the right way to live. But of course you won't admit this, and you will probably continue to dodge my questions and pretend to have answered them.

Originally posted by sonship

He was a vengeful and murderous tyrant once, maybe he will be again. Maybe tomorrow. You don't know any better than I do, you just know your book, which wasn't written by god.

You must be vehemently Pro-Life.
Are you strongly Anti-Abortion in your ideology ?

Or should I expect you to start tap-dancing now?

Vengeful? We ...[text shortened]... thanksgiving and appreciation you show for this by blaspheming God makes the real monster, you.

If you want to take part in a debate, I suggest you strive for brevity. Pick a point, or maybe two, and write a small post, say five or ten lines, and I'll respond. I'm not about to go through pages of your tripe responding to every point you raise, I have better things to do with my time.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
But of course you won't admit this, and you will probably continue to dodge my questions and pretend to have answered them.

I won't "admit" what?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You clearly have unresolved issues with the Christian faith, if you say any other way but the Christian way is the right way to live.

Where am I supposed to have said this? I have stated time and time again that, if your Christian faith affords you solace or comfort, if it gives you a sense of purpose in your life, if it helps you to come to terms with death, and if it creates solidarity and comradeship with your fellow religionists, then good for you. Don't let me deter you from believing whatever you want to believe.

Originally posted by FMF
I won't "admit" what?

That you think every other way is better than the Christian way. And you won't admit that you haven't answered me as to why you think this.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
That you think every other way is better than the Christian way

Copy paste the post of mine where I supposedly said this.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
And you won't admit that you haven't answered me as to why you think this.

I can't "admit" to something you happen to be asserting and that I don't think is true.