Questions on morality

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If there is no single objectively correct answer to a question of morality, nobody is objectively right or wrong.

So what? What does it matter if you just so happen to think this? The people here who disagree with you have told you that they perceive morality differently and they have explained why. So what if you believe that there is a "single objectively correct answer to a question of morality"? How does you saying it over and over again affect any of the people here with whom you disagree?

Originally posted by FMF
So what? What does it matter if you just so happen to think this? The people here who disagree with you have told you that they perceive morality differently and they have explained why. So what if you believe that there is a "single objectively correct answer to a question of morality"? How does you saying it over and over again affect any of the people here with whom you disagree?

This is your dilemma: You claim that there are no moral absolutes, meaning there is no single correct answer to a question of morality yet at the same time you are claiming that your answer is the only correct one.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Because I see no point in debating personal preferences on morality.

So why are you debating morality with people like me and Ghost of a Duke and avalanchethecat, and others, if you see "no point in debating" morality with people who perceive and approach the topic in a different way from you?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
This is your dilemma: You claim that there are no moral absolutes, meaning there is no single correct answer to a question of morality yet at the same time you are claiming that your answer is the only correct one.

Copy paste the post of mine where I said that my "answer is the only correct one" in situations where moral decisions have to be made.

Originally posted by FMF
Copy paste the post of mine where I said that my "answer is the only correct one" in situations where moral decisions have to be made.

You said rape is always wrong have you forgotten already? So to the question "is rape always wrong?", your answer of "yes" is the only correct answer. You even went on to say whoever disagrees is wrong. If you suddenly disagree with this now, would your answer to the question "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" NOT be the only correct one?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You said rape is always wrong have you forgotten already? So to the question "is rape always wrong?", your answer of "yes" is the only correct answer. You even went on to say whoever disagrees is wrong.

Well I feel strongly about rape being a moral atrocity. Is that what you are on about?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you suddenly disagree with this now, would your answer to the question "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" NOT be the only correct one?

I think that, if humans were to emulate many of your god figure's actions, as depicted in the texts that lay out your mythology and give rise to your superstitious beliefs, I think it would result in those humans carrying out unspeakable mortal atrocities, or at the very least, defending such atrocities as being morally sound.

But then your cop out is to say that your supernatural source of all morality is not to be held morally accountable, which to me seems fraught with morally unsound notions of gangsterism and impunity and unimaginably ludicrous violence.

So I think your biblegod basis for your subjective approach to morality is a real mess. But you are a superstitious person, so what can one expect?

Originally posted by FMF
Well I feel strongly about rape being a moral atrocity. Is that what you are on about?

Predictably you are now changing your tune. You said rape is wrong for everyone, not only yourself, so you were unilaterally imposing the morals you felt strongly about on other people. How then are you being any different to me and Sonship?

Originally posted by FMF
I think that, if humans were to emulate many of your god figure's actions, as depicted in the texts that lay out your mythology and give rise to your superstitious beliefs, I think it would result in those humans carrying out unspeakable mortal atrocities, or at the very least, defending such atrocities as being morally sound.

But then your cop out is to say ...[text shortened]... pproach to morality is a real mess. But you are a superstitious person, so what can one expect?

You are dodging again. If I were to ask you, "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" and you were to answer "yes". Would that answer of yours be the only objectively correct answer to that particular question of morality?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
... you are claiming that your answer is the only correct one.

Well, the idea of 'justifiable' rape is unimaginable to me, as is "torturing babies for fun". I can't think of a scenario, and neither could you. What other moral issues have I supposedly declared my answer to be "the only correct one"? If you want to label my stance on rape and torturing babies as part of some sort of "universal truth", then go for it. Call it what you want.

What other aspects of my moral stances constitute "universal truths" in your view? And, aside from the matters of rape and torturing babies, what other aspects of your own personal moral stances on things constitute "universal truths" in your view?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You are dodging again.

No, I haven't dodged your question at all. I have answered it and I have explained my answer.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Predictably you are now changing your tune. You said rape is wrong for everyone, not only yourself, so you were unilaterally imposing the morals you felt strongly about on other people.

How am I "imposing" anything on other people?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How then are you being any different to me and Sonship?

Well, you me and sonship, we all draw our moral sensibilities from the same basic sources. But I don't need to cite a supernatural being's wishes [as you do, and you internalizing all that is part of your "nurture"] in order to decide that rape is wrong, where as you and sonship do. That makes us different.

Originally posted by FMF
No, I haven't dodged your question at all. I have answered it and I have explained my answer.

You have not answered this question:

If I were to ask you, "Is the God of the Bible immoral?" and you were to answer "yes". Would that answer of yours be the only objectively correct answer to that particular question of morality or could the answer "no" also be correct?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Would that answer of yours be the only objectively correct answer to that particular question of morality?

I have never claimed any of my personal beliefs or opinions on supernatural matters to be "objectively correct answers" so your question is a gimmick. You don't provide me with any "objectively correct answers" on supernatural matters, even if you pretentiously claim you do. Trying to insert this silly terminology into the disagreement between us is merely a gimmick.