21 Oct 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziDude!
oh, before the edit i only saw the gotcha and the smiley so i thought you really made a joke with the whole hate speech.
That wasn't a hate speech. Nowhere near.
That was a loving speech, inspirational and questioning.
Just let me know when you really want to hear hatred. I've got issues that I feel I should be projecting.
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by PalynkaNothing. Which is why we tend to attack the belief. But to interpret that as 'hating God' is as silly as interpreting a Christians attack on atheism as 'hating the non-existent God that atheists don't believe in'.
What do theists have in common beyond that belief?
Particular groups of theists do however tend to have things in common just as particular groups of atheists may have things in common. A popular mistake is to try to tie some things to the wrong group such as evolution to atheism or radicalism to Islaam, or YEC to Christians.
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadAgreed. 🙂
Nothing. Which is why we tend to attack the belief. But to interpret that as 'hating God' is as silly as interpreting a Christians attack on atheism as 'hating the non-existent God that atheists don't believe in'.
Particular groups of theists do however tend to have things in common just as particular groups of atheists may have things in common. A pop ...[text shortened]... the wrong group such as evolution to atheism or radicalism to Islaam, or YEC to Christians.
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by sonhouseYour claim is that the creation story is made up; I don't think it is,
People make up a story and now you use it as if it were an absolute. That is the biggest bunch of crap going. There are as many creation stories from turtles on the back of elephants holding up the universe to humans coming from beavers after building a dam. None of these stories including your own has any more weight than any of the other 10,000 versions a ...[text shortened]... ing. There is no more truth in your rediculous tale than the one with the elephants and turtles.
you have nothing to compare to it either way for the subject at hand.
If you want deny all creation stories, because there are some that
are not be true, what would be like denying all 20 dollar bills,
because some are counterfeit, illogical to say the least. There is an
issue with absolute arrogance and that is yours, you claim some
insight into the creation or formation of the universe without any
thing at all to back it up, and you don’t even have a made up
story to go along with it, yet you smear those that have faith in
one with calling them insane.
Kelly
21 Oct 08
Originally posted by KellyJayYou think because a story gets told millions of times it automatically gets authenticity. I can tell you elvis is alive a million times but that does not make it so. The fact that you and countless millions believe in your particular fairy tale will never make it true. That is why I call it functional insanity. Group hallucination if you will. The really sad part is when the fanatics act on it as if they were personally called by your god and kill in its name. You can shout it from the hills about how you think your creation myth is true but that does not alter the fact that it is a story made up by men, for men and about men to control men and make life miserable for women.
Your claim is that the creation story is made up; I don't think it is,
you have nothing to compare to it either way for the subject at hand.
If you want deny all creation stories, because there are some that
are not be true, what would be like denying all 20 dollar bills,
because some are counterfeit, illogical to say the least. There is an
issue with ...[text shortened]... go along with it, yet you smear those that have faith in
one with calling them insane.
Kelly
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by sonhousePot meet kettle.
I personally think people who think that way are judgemental, even though there is a script that says Judge not lest ye be judged, they are judgemental nonetheless,
living in a dream world where they believe all they are spoon fed about the 'Lord' and all the anthropomorphic BS that goes with it.
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by KellyJayKellyJay,
Your claim is that the creation story is made up; I don't think it is,
you have nothing to compare to it either way for the subject at hand.
If you want deny all creation stories, because there are some that
are not be true, what would be like denying all 20 dollar bills,
because some are counterfeit, illogical to say the least.
The problem here is that you aren't consistent in your currency, so to speak. You think that all
propositions are equally tenuous because they all rely on some belief; you do not verbally
acknowledge any belief as more credible as another.
The fact of the matter is, though, you tacitly do so all the time. You believe with certainty that
the sun will rise tomorrow, that you will be male, that clicking on 'post' will send a message to
this forum and so on.
When you use a word like 'illogical,' it gives the illusion that you recognize the empirical value of
evidence, that some conclusions are more plausible and thus more believable than others. But
you won't concede that in a conversation.
So, the belief that dinosaur bones are actually the droppings of a giant invisible rabbit is just as
sensible as the idea that the earth is several billion years old to you, even though the evidence
for the former doesn't exist but the evidence for the latter is compelling.
You ignore them both because you claim that faith in anything means that anything else is
possible and thus equally probable.
Nemesio
22 Oct 08
Originally posted by NemesioAre you following this conversation or are you just yakking at me on
KellyJay,
The problem here is that you aren't consistent in your currency, so to speak. You think that all
propositions are equally tenuous because they all rely on some belief; you do not verbally
acknowledge any belief as more credible as another.
The fact of the matter is, though, you tacitly do so all the time. You believe with certainty that ...[text shortened]... in anything means that anything else is
possible and thus equally probable.
Nemesio
something you wanted to say to me without really reading the
posts? The point I was making was that nothing has been offered up
at all to compare creation to so there isn't one is better than another
there is only one thing that speaks to the beginning. So what are
you complaining about here? Bones was not a subject of conversation
I was having, neither was a giant invisible rabbit.
Kelly