Religious people are functionally insane.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
by advanced society in this case i mean people with boomsticks and choppas and shiny armour and the means to produce a lot of them.

That means that the western civilisazion is an advanced society, but the tibetans is a spiritually advanced society.

What's so advanced with boomsticks?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
That means that the western civilisazion is an advanced society, but the tibetans is a spiritually advanced society.

What's so advanced with boomsticks?

no no, you still don't get me. a culture meets a culture and the first meets its end because the latter was more advanced. in the way of killings. no spirituality involved. didn't say one is better than the other spiritually. even in the 19th century, the japanese thought they were more civilized than europeans(and they were mostly right) simply because they bathed, had better poetry and culture, and were more refined, even when chopping someones head off.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
... but lesser advanced society spiritually.

In what sense were those other cultures ("mayans, incans, native americans" ) more "advanced" spiritually?

Originally posted by Palynka
In what sense were those other cultures ("mayans, incans, native americans" ) more "advanced" spiritually?

Compare the religious leaders from the different native civilizations with the religious leaders from the old world, and you can judge for yourself.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Compare the religious leaders from the different native civilizations with the religious leaders from the old world, and you can judge for yourself.

Don't be coy, do it yourself.

I wonder what you'll do when you find out about the child sacrifices.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
no no, you still don't get me. a culture meets a culture and the first meets its end because the latter was more advanced. in the way of killings. no spirituality involved. didn't say one is better than the other spiritually. even in the 19th century, the japanese thought they were more civilized than europeans(and they were mostly right) simply because the ...[text shortened]... d, had better poetry and culture, and were more refined, even when chopping someones head off.

I think I get you. But I bring another dimension to what 'advance' can mean. Everywhere on earth, the winning part always defines what 'superiour' means, even when another superiour part is losing.

Who are we? The winning part. Who is most superiour? We are, of course. So who is inferiour? They are.

Originally posted by Palynka
Don't be coy, do it yourself.

I wonder what you'll do when you find out about the child sacrifices.

...and what the inquisision meant to free speach...

Originally posted by FabianFnas
...and what the inquisision meant to free speach...

So if the inquisition "just" sacrificed children, would that make it more
"advanced"?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I think I get you. But I bring another dimension to what 'advance' can mean. Everywhere on earth, the winning part always defines what 'superiour' means, even when another superiour part is losing.

Who are we? The winning part. Who is most superiour? We are, of course. So who is inferiour? They are.

yes, but that is not the case here. it is obvious the winning side is technologically superior. and how can one compare how much spirituality one side has? is pulling the hearts out of human sacrifices more or less spiritual than torturing witchcraft and heresy suspects?


so please lets abandon this line of discussion, it is starting to drift off topic, it doesn't accomplish anything and it is impossible to reach a conclusion

Originally posted by Palynka
So if the inquisition "just" sacrificed children, would that make it more advanced?

Is 'avanced' to you the age of the ones sacrificed? Hell, even Jesus sacrified himself. Was it Abraham who was about to sacrifice his son Isac?

But you're missing the point here. Who is the most spiritual, the pope or Dalai Lama? Who is to judge? A Tibetan or a Catholic? Can we judge, any of us, being a part of one or another civilization?

I can only see that the missonaries from Europe in the Americas wasn't so keen on following the message of love of Jesus. Instead of learning from the civilizations they burnt adn killed, and destroyed as much as they could.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
yes, but that is not the case here. it is obvious the winning side is technologically superior. and how can one compare how much spirituality one side has? is pulling the hearts out of human sacrifices more or less spiritual than torturing witchcraft and heresy suspects?


so please lets abandon this line of discussion, it is starting to drift off topic, it doesn't accomplish anything and it is impossible to reach a conclusion

I was responding to "the mayans, incans, native americans were not destroyed by religion. they were destroyed by the greed of more advanced societies." with "... but lesser advanced society spiritually."

... and then we did a body count about sacrificed children. I still don't think that the intruders were especially spiritual.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I was responding to "the mayans, incans, native americans were not destroyed by religion. they were destroyed by the greed of more advanced societies." with "... but lesser advanced society spiritually."

... and then we did a body count about sacrificed children. I still don't think that the intruders were especially spiritual.

and like i said, you cannot measure spirituality

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
and like i said, you cannot measure spirituality

You're right. Let's go back on-topic. Let's continue with the "Religious people are functionally insane" topic.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Is 'avanced' to you the age of the ones sacrificed? Hell, even Jesus sacrified himself. Was it Abraham who was about to sacrifice his son Isac?

But you're missing the point here. Who is the most spiritual, the pope or Dalai Lama? Who is to judge? A Tibetan or a Catholic? Can we judge, any of us, being a part of one or another civilization?

I can onl ...[text shortened]... learning from the civilizations they burnt adn killed, and destroyed as much as they could.

Is 'avanced' [sic] to you the age of the ones sacrificed? Hell, even Jesus sacrified[sic] himself. Was it Abraham who was about to sacrifice his son Isac[sic]?
First of all, none of those have historical documentation. Even if taken as fact, in the second example, there was no sacrifice done and in the first, it is an adult being executed by people not as a religious sacrifice.

But you're missing the point here. Who is the most spiritual, the pope or Dalai Lama? Who is to judge? A Tibetan or a Catholic?
Tibetans are not "mayans, incans or native americans", which where the ones mentioned.

Can we judge, any of us, being a part of one or another civilization?
It was YOU judging them, as YOU claimed those were more "advanced" than the European colonizers. It's funny how you cannot see through your own hypocrisy when dealing with religion.

Why do you think I've been writing "advanced" with inverted commas?

Originally posted by Palynka
[b]Is 'avanced' [sic] to you the age of the ones sacrificed? Hell, even Jesus sacrified[sic] himself. Was it Abraham who was about to sacrifice his son Isac[sic]?
First of all, none of those have historical documentation. Even if taken as fact, in the second example, there was no sacrifice done and in the first, it is an adult being executed by people n with religion.

Why do you think I've been writing "advanced" with inverted commas?[/b]

Abraham was about, his intent was, to sacrifice a child in the name of god, so there are scacrifices in our religion too. Martures are also a kind of sacrifices, of oneself but still sacrifices.

I used the Tibetan culture to exemlify why the western civilization is not the most advanced spiritual culture. Every culture using violence is inferiour.

I expressed my douts that the western civilization was more *spiritually* advanced, not more advanced by western standards.

And "He, who claims he is not hypochrite, is the most hypochrite of all", a quote from an old wise man.

This is not leading anywhere. As I told Zahlanzi: Let's go back on-topic. Let's continue with the "Religious people are functionally insane" topic.