16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerIf you can establish why your different perspective on the evidential value of the NT vis a vis the resurrection is consequential to me in some way, then go for it if you want to.
Apparently because you are not bothered with other people knowing the truth?
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16 May 17
Originally posted by FMFAnd I am asking you whether you have any compelling reason to believe that the translators over the years who 'finalized' the new testament have changed the overall message of the texts they were translating?
I told you exactly why I don't think the NT is a "primary source". I understand, acknowledge and accept that you think it is.
16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerIf they are not primary sources, as I contend, then they can only be secondary sources, and - rather like your elusive "500 eye witness accounts" - they don't have the same effect on me as they appear to have on you. If you believe they prove something supernatural happened, then so be it. But I do not see them as being primary sources, as I have explained.
And I am asking you whether you have any compelling reason to believe that the translators over the years who 'finalized' the new testament have changed the overall message of the texts they were translating?
16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerAs you know I don't have any convincing reason to believe that the gospels were written by eye witnesses to the execution of Jesus. I think they were written decades later by other people.
Would you agree that
1. A testament is the account of a witness.
2. Any account of a witness is a primary source, even if it is written down long after the event being witnessed occurred.
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16 May 17
Originally posted by FMFSo you have any credible evidence to suggest they were written by other people or is this just something you choose to believe without evidence?
As you know I don't have any convincing reason to believe that the gospels were written by eye witnesses to the execution of Jesus. I think they were written decades later by other people.
16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckersonship claimed earlier on this thread that "Old Testament saints" rose from the dead and appeared in the city of Jerusalem after Jesus supposedly came back to life. Do you believe you have eye witness evidence of this happening too?
Any account of a witness is a primary source, even if it is written down long after the event being witnessed occurred.
16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerI've read about it over the years. I find the claim that the gospels were written by people who knew Jesus and who had met him to be not credible. But, I don't need you to agree with this conclusion.
So you have any credible evidence to suggest they were written by other people or is this just something you choose to believe without evidence?
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16 May 17
Originally posted by FMFI don't have a reason to believe the gospel writers were
sonship claimed earlier on this thread that "Old Testament saints" rose from the dead and appeared in the city of Jerusalem after Jesus supposedly came back to life. Do you believe you have eye witness evidence of this happening too?
1. imposters, or
2. lying,
if you have any please share it.
16 May 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerIs there eye witness evidence, in your view, that "Old Testament saints" rose from the dead and appeared in the city of Jerusalem after Jesus was executed?
I don't have a reason to believe the gospel writers were
1. imposters, or
2. lying,
if you have any please share it.
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16 May 17
Originally posted by FMFWhen you were a Christian you believed you believed the gospels were written by people who knew Jesus. Then you read some stuff which you cannot specifically name and you just suddenly realized that what you used to believe was not credible? So can you tell me exactly what you read that changed your mind?
I've read about it over the years. I find the claim that the gospels were written by people who knew Jesus and who had met him to be not credible. But, I don't need you to agree with this conclusion.