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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyFor religious people it may be because they spend their lives living in denial about death ~ telling themselves they will live forever, because they have simply imagined it to be so ~ and this may have given them some solidarity with other like-minded religionists during their lives, and even a way of patting themselves on the back in the face of unbelievers who cope with the facts of life without the aid of superstition.
We all know that life is short and that death will occur, yet we're surprised when it happens to someone we know. Why?
And perhaps as the self-declared immortal people get into closer proximity to death, the relevance of what they'd spent imagining may start to wane. What they had been insulating themselves with, after all, had been the superstitions about an "afterlife" that others had not needed in order to navigate "real life".
I have anecdotal evidence from my life that shows that, when push comes to shove, people who claim to be immortal are no more or less at peace with dying than are people who accept their mortality.
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Originally posted by FMFAnd who are these people exactly, who claim to be "immortal"?
For religious people it may be because they spend their lives living in denial about death ~ telling themselves they will live forever, because they have simply imagined it to be so ~ and this may have given them some solidarity with other like-minded religionists during their lives, and even a way of patting themselves on the back in the face of unbelievers who ...[text shortened]... be immortal are no more or less at peace with dying than are people who accept their mortality.
You must move in some pretty rarified circles.
I don't know anybody who claims to be immortal.
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Originally posted by SuzianneHave you not heard religionists talking about their "afterlife", about "going to heaven", about "life after death", about the "indestructible soul", about "life in the hereafter", about "a personal relationship with God and eternal life with Him for eternity", about having an "immortal immaterial soul", and about "the immaterial, immortal essence of man"? I think you have.
And who are these people exactly, who claim to be "immortal"?
You must move in some pretty rarified circles.
I don't know anybody who claims to be immortal.
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Originally posted by FMFYes, of course I have heard of this.
Have you not heard religionists talking about their "afterlife", about "going to heaven", about "life after death", about the "indestructible soul", about "life in the hereafter", about "a personal relationship with God and eternal life with Him for eternity", about having an "immortal immaterial soul", and about "the immaterial, immortal essence of man"? I think you have.
I still don't know of anyone claiming to be "immortal".
If you do, then I guess you have misunderstood them.
(Also, "religionists" is a pretty vague term. Would it be too much to ask for you to speak clearly?)
Originally posted by SuzianneReligionists here are talking about their supposed unending existence all the time.
Sorry, I can differentiate between someone saying "the soul is immortal" and someone saying "I am immortal".
I'm asking you exactly who has said the second? Who are these "self-declared immortal people"?
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Originally posted by FMFSo are you actually saying that everyone with "a religion" says they are immortal? Really?
Religionists are people who subscribe to or adhere to religions.
Do you adhere to "a religion"? (I guess you must, since you vehemently deny being an atheist.) Do you say you are immortal?
Originally posted by Suziannesonship, Grampy Bobby, Pudgenik, checkbaiter, KingOnPoint and josephw are all prominent religionist posters who see themselves as immortal because they "believe in Christ". I am sure there are many others too.
Who are these "self-declared immortal people"?
Originally posted by SuzianneNo I said religious people ~ at least those who believe in the "afterlife" ~ spend their lives living in denial about death by telling themselves they will live forever on account of the fact that they have imagined it to be so by way of their religious beliefs.
So are you actually saying that everyone with "a religion" says they are immortal? Really?
Originally posted by FMFOh, they "see themselves" as immortal. Is this the same thing as them "saying" they are immortal? Or are you now "psychic"?
sonship, Grampy Bobby, Pudgenik, checkbaiter, KingOnPoint and josephw are all prominent religionist posters who see themselves as immortal because they "believe in Christ". I am sure there are many others too.
I just want to be clear about what you are saying since you seem unwilling to actually BE clear.
Are you a "religionist"? Do you have "a religion"? Or are you an atheist? Do you "say" you are immortal? Or do you "see yourself" as immortal?