St. Silouan on Forgiveness

@fmf said
"No"? So you and Nazi war criminals will NOT "make it" if you are 'right with God'? But "the little old lady that has spent her life trying to help people" WILL "make it" if she's not 'right with God'? Are you sure you meant "no"?

If you have sin in your life either justice or mercy will take care of it. You are going to answer for your whole life. It will be your sin in the light of your knowledge that will condemn you. If your brazen enough to think your righteousness can stand before Jesus Christ that will be between the two of you.

@fmf said
So you and Nazi war criminals will "make it" if they are 'right with God' but "the little old lady that has spent her life trying to help people" won't "make it" if she's not 'right with God' [by which you mean if she doesn't believe in Jesus and hasn't said sorry to Him, right?]

If a man was a murderer, and he spends some years in total repentance and accepts his misdeeds fully and his last years of his life in jail are ones of good living and remorse...

Should he still never be forgiven?

That doesn't sound at all like what a moralistic person would say.

@kellyjay said
If you have sin in your life either justice or mercy will take care of it. You are going to answer for your whole life. It will be your sin in the light of your knowledge that will condemn you. If your brazen enough to think your righteousness can stand before Jesus Christ that will be between the two of you.

Why did you say "no" to what I put to you?

@philokalia said
That doesn't sound at all like what a moralistic person would say.

"The little old lady [who has spent her life trying to help people] and the Nazi war criminal are no different both need God’s forgiveness" doesn't sound at all like what a moralistic person would say.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Ouch.

'The little old lady and the Nazi war criminal are no different both need God’s forgiveness...'

I'm going to let that sit there a while before I respond so we both have the opportunity to really ponder on your chosen words.

I think you are looking at God's forgiveness backwarks, its that He can and will forgive us all, even the worse of us.

Corrie Ten Boom forgiving a Nazi who was in the camp she was in.
YouTube

I met this man (Protais Nshogoze) his story is amazing.
http://preparethewayministry.com/content/protais-rwandan-genocide-survivor’s-story

David Pawson "The Mercy of God" The forgiveness to Nazi too.
YouTube

@fmf said
"The little old lady [who has spent her life trying to help people] and the Nazi war criminal are no different both need God’s forgiveness" doesn't sound at all like what a moralistic person would say.

Really why not? God's grace is so great the worse of us can be for given. You think there is one among us who isn't a sinner, when the whole world is under condemnation.

Why would Jesus need to die the way He did if little ole ladies were good enough?
Shouldn't that be the standard if it were true?

@fmf said
Why did you say "no" to what I put to you?

What was my reply?

@kellyjay said
Really why not?

Because it only works if one introduces a convoluted, counter-intuitive, profoundly misanthropic claim-whatever-you-want-to-claim-about-the-nature-of-people supernatural angle.

@kellyjay said
What was my reply?

It was the one that started with "no".

@fmf said
It was the one that started with "no".

And?

@kellyjay said
Why would Jesus need to die the way He did if little ole ladies were good enough?
Shouldn't that be the standard if it were true?

What does some kind of human sacrifice you just so happen to believe happened 2,000 years ago have to do with the fact that it's more morally sound to be a lady who has spent her life trying to help people than a Nazi war criminal? Your superstition-misanthropy combo seems to have deactivated your moral compass.

@fmf said
Because it only works if one introduces a convoluted, counter-intuitive, profoundly misanthropic claim-whatever-you-want-to-claim-about-the-nature-of-people supernatural angle.

Can you just quote the part you are talking about in your text and leave the rest of the text in place so I know what you are referring too? This one wasn't bad, but if you continue doing this I'll just ignore you questions.

@kellyjay said
And?

So you and Nazi war criminals will "make it" if they are 'right with God' but "the little old lady that has spent her life trying to help people" won't "make it" if she's not 'right with God', right?

Your answer was "no".

So you won't "make it" even if you are 'right with God'?

@fmf said
What does some kind of human sacrifice you just so happen to believe happened 2,000 years ago have to do with the fact that it's more morally sound to be a lady who has spent her life trying to help people than a Nazi war criminal? Your superstition-misanthropy combo seems to have deactivated your moral compass.

The Son of God laid down His life, your high opinion of human righteousness is the issue.