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-Removed-The gospel of Luke says that at the time he became twelve his family went up to Jerusalem for the Passover. Anyone that is capable of logic should realize that when a person became twelve, then that was on the twelfth birthday.
Some translations attempt to obscure this meaning by translating what should be he became as he was because of the Christmas tradition. Notice that it does not say after he became twelve, but when he became twelve. When means at the time.
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Originally posted by RJHindsI just wonder why you bother to insert the word "became" five times in your post when it has nothing to do with the conversation.
The gospel of Luke says that at the time he [b]became twelve his family went up to Jerusalem for the Passover. Anyone that is capable of logic should realize that when a person became twelve, then that was on the twelfth birthday.
Some translations attempt to obscure this meaning by translating what should be he became as he was ...[text shortened]... t say after he became twelve, but when he became twelve. When means at the time.[/b]
"Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast." -- Luke 2:41-42, KJV
It clearly says "when he was twelve years old". Nothing here about Him "becoming" twelve.
As you say, some translations try to present things their own way for their own reasons. I know lots and lots of Christians who swear Jesus was born at Passover just so that they can have that "magical Passover connection", but it just ain't so.
Furthermore, the passage says they went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. If this is true, what were they doing in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth instead of in Jerusalem "at the feast of the passover"? Obviously, He wasn't born at Passover.
Originally posted by SuzianneI point this out because the greek word means "he became" and is not accurately translated "he was" as is done by the King James Version, which also incorrectly translates "passover" as "Easter" at one point.
I just wonder why you bother to insert the word "became" five times in your post when it has nothing to do with the conversation.
"Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast." -- Luke 2:41-42, KJV
It clearly says "[i]when he was[/ ...[text shortened]... instead of in Jerusalem "at the feast of the passover"? Obviously, He wasn't born at Passover.
I just believe in being accurate if we are going to accept the scriptures as being inspired of God.
Originally posted by menace71Well the Bible is clear on this star or what appears to be a star from a humans standpoint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Bethlehem
So what say you ? In theory we can see what was in the sky from 7BC to 2BC
Manny
If one reads those scriptures "carefully" and without the fairytale story of Christmas involved, one will note that this star lead the magi "first" to Herod, not to the baby Jesus and his parents in the manger.
One would also read that Herod wanted to know where this "King to be" was at because he wanted to kill him out of jealousy.
So now this star was going to lead these Magi to Jesus and in turn they were supposed to report back to Herod to let him know where Jesus was at so Herod could have him killed.
But God no doubt had a hand in this as the Magi were fearful of Herod and did not follow the star and did not actully see Jesus until he as a young child in his parents home.
So the question about this star is who was behind it? God? Not at all. Why would God produce this star to have his only begotten son to be found by Herod?
Again this star was directing thoes Magi to Herod, not Jesus. Then once Herod demanded those Magi to find Jesus, convienently it was going to lead them to Jesus and then back to Herod.
Was God behind this plan? No it wasn't. It was satan who saw this as a chance to kill the son of God.
-Removed-Well yes it does sir and I did not say the Magi were against Jesus did I? You never read what I say but only want to argue like a fool.
It is crystal clear that the star which is "what this thread is about" was not a good thing and never used by God as the fairytail story would suggest.
Common sense would conclude that it was something satan was behind........
Originally posted by galveston75UFO
Well yes it does sir and I did not say the Magi were against Jesus did I? You never read what I say but only want to argue like a fool.
It is crystal clear that the star which is "what this thread is about" was not a good thing and never used by God as the fairytail story would suggest.
Common sense would conclude that it was something satan was behind........