@kellyjay saidLet's simplify:
Yes it does your moral framework is what you are applying, and you are doing so to show me that your explanation fits. I am talking about it with all the text in play you are selecting a text and applying your judgment to it out of context of the whole.
I'm pretty sure, in every other instance, we share the same moral view that bears being sent to rip children apart is wrong. Why is this suddenly okay if it happens in the Bible? All of a sudden you are put in the ridiculous position of having to say 'they weren't children they were delinquent youths, a threatening mob,' and 'it wasn't because they mocked a bald man, but because they mocked a prophet of God.'
Oh, that's okay then. Release the bears. God's righteousness is still intact.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAn absolute
Let's simplify:
I'm pretty sure, in every other instance, we share the same moral view that bears being sent to rip children apart is wrong. Why is this suddenly okay if it happens in the Bible? All of a sudden you are put in the ridiculous position of having to say 'they weren't children they were delinquent youths, a threatening mob,' and 'it wasn't because they ...[text shortened]... a prophet of God.'
Oh, that's okay then. Release the bears. God's righteousness is still intact.
@fmf saidWhy is it that atheist, especially those posting in this forum, have a double standard?
Christians like you are so fanatical you seemingly cannot process or comprehend diversity of belief. You may think you are more able to humanize other people by looking through your prism, but in fact you are seeking to dehumanize others. Your God figure doesn't seem to make you strong. It seems to make you weak and often rather poisonous.
"Christians like you are so fanatical you seemingly cannot process or comprehend diversity of belief."
But you do? By making that statement you admit you don't, evidently because you deflect from the discussion by making derogatory remarks and labeling someone you don't agree with.
"You may think you are more able to humanize other people by looking through your prism, but in fact you are seeking to dehumanize others."
Why don't you quit being biased and question Rajk with that? You give him a pass when he continuously denigrates others. You're in the same category is why.
"Your God figure doesn't seem to make you strong. It seems to make you weak and often rather poisonous."
That's dehumanizing. You're guilty of doing the very thing you're accusing sonship of. A double standard. It's your prejudice based on an irrational bias that causes you to criticize and condemn sonship for something he isn't even doing in the first place.
Bottom line, its hypocrisy.
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@secondson saidTelling someone they seem weak is "dehumanizing"?
"Your God figure doesn't seem to make you strong. It seems to make you weak and often rather poisonous."
That's dehumanizing. You're guilty of doing the very thing you're accusing sonship of.
You don't seem to know what the word "dehumanizing" means.
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@secondson saidYes, I can process and comprehend diversity of belief. I have been a Christian. I live among Christians, Hindus and Muslims. I know about their beliefs.
"Christians like you are so fanatical you seemingly cannot process or comprehend diversity of belief."
But you do? By making that statement you admit you don't, evidently because you deflect from the discussion by making derogatory remarks and labeling someone you don't agree with.
I have said, umpteen times, to Christians here that, if their beliefs give them purpose and solace, help them become part of faith communities, and result in them living a morally sound life, then I welcome it and I understand how their faith provides them with these things.
Meanwhile, sonship is claiming that people who don't share his religious beliefs cannot differentiate between maggots and human beings. Perhaps you haven't bothered to read what he's posted.
@secondson saidRajk999 does not assert that people who do not share his beliefs are unable to tell the difference between maggots and humans.
Why don't you quit being biased and question Rajk with that? You give him a pass when he continuously denigrates others.
@secondson saidWhat is it you think "sonship isn't even doing"? Are you posting about my reaction to his posts without having read his posts?
It's your prejudice based on an irrational bias that causes you to criticize and condemn sonship for something he isn't even doing in the first place.
@secondson saidYou don't seem to know what the word "hypocrisy" means. You are using it incorrectly.
Bottom line, its hypocrisy.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidIf someone was killed due to a lightning strike that amoral or evil?
Sorry Kelly, that really doesn't address the questions put to you.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDoes that mean you more cleverly hide your true nature and deep seated disdain behind a veneer of civility? That you are withholding? That you can say of others that their God is a fiction perpetrating "horrors" against "a stable and moral person", "degrading" Christians into a delusional state of mind?
Clearly, I am more polite without God.
I'd rather be with God and rude, than without God believing I'm "polite" when I know I'm really not. Although I really am, under normal circumstances, but, due to the nature of this forum and the character of these debates I allow myself some latitude.
I personally don't want to offend, but apparently what I believe is offensive.
@kellyjay saidI think us agreeing that it is never okay to have some bears kill some kids is as close to an absolute as we're going to get.
An absolute
Until of course we open the Bible...
@secondson saidStrange that you should choose to reply to a post directed at someone else and not the one I directed at you. Here it is again:
Does that mean you more cleverly hide your true nature and deep seated disdain behind a veneer of civility? That you are withholding? That you can say of others that their God is a fiction perpetrating "horrors" against "a stable and moral person", "degrading" Christians into a delusional state of mind?
I'd rather be with God and rude, than without God believing I'm "pol ...[text shortened]... elf some latitude.
I personally don't want to offend, but apparently what I believe is offensive.
You appear to be injecting the word 'delusional' so as to have something to point at and declare 'double standard!'
My post had nothing to do with a delusional mindset. I clearly profited that a moral person (by everyday standards) would have to compromise their moral position in order to accommodate such OT atrocities as the great flood, plagues of Egypt, killer bears sent by God etc etc.
And yes, it was joseph who accused atheists of being delusional. I thought that was before your time?
@SecondSon
I think if you throw around accusations of double standards and hypocrisy you are opening a can of worms about your links to the joseph account and why there are two clearly fake games sitting there between the 2 for all to see.
Mentioning the 'delusional' thing was clearly a faux pas by you. Perhaps you thought enough time had passed...
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThat is not really an answer we can agree on many things that are not absolutes. If you are telling me it is wrong no matter what, that’s an absolute.
I think us agreeing that it is never okay to have some bears kill some kids is as close to an absolute as we're going to get.
Until of course we open the Bible...