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    I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.

    However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.

    Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
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    24 Mar '18 02:07
    One thumb down already 😞
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    24 Mar '18 02:19
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    One thumb down already 😞
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    24 Mar '18 02:23
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.

    However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.

    Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
    Before passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomenon. And annihilationism may well be correct - but even if it isn’t, I think you just have to trust in God and in His ways. A God that would send His Son to die a sacrificial death on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
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    24 Mar '18 02:24
    Originally posted by @rajk999
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    I didn’t thumb it down.

    But there you are, bearing false witness again. When are you condemning me to hell? You haven’t done that in a while.
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    24 Mar '18 15:182 edits
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.

    However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.

    Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
    What is the issue for you?

    Is it that there are people who claim that the Bible asserts that Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes are factual, and such facts collide with your picture of what is true? This is easy, there are such people and they are wrong. However, it leaves some doubt that the Bible is to be taken “literally.” Whatever that means. Whatever it means, it places responsibility for a proper reading of the Bible in your own hands. That’s a big deal. It’s at once freeing, and binding.

    Or is it that the Lord Himself calls on you to believe these things are factual and you just can’t do it? That’s not so easy. Edit: but then the Lord is talking to you through these other humans? Don’t believe it for a minute.
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    24 Mar '18 15:302 edits
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Before passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomen ...[text shortened]... ath on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
    “A God that would send His Son to die a sacrificial death on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.”

    We’re just lucky we were still covered by the Manufacturer’s warranty.
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    24 Mar '18 19:18
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.

    However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.

    Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
    Do you want some real advice?
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    24 Mar '18 19:20
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Before passing judgment, we ought to acknowledge we don’t know what the world was like before the flood (how evil it was,) and the “talking snake” was simply demon possessed. A famous case on Lindley Street in Bridgeport, CT USA had a talking cat that was witnessed by firefighters and police officers who responded to the house due to unexplained phenomen ...[text shortened]... ath on the cross to save mankind can’t be as bad as one would think - just the opposite in fact.
    Dont judge . Advise instead
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    24 Mar '18 19:37
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    Do you want some real advice?
    As opposed to fake advice?
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    24 Mar '18 21:31
    Originally posted by @rajk999
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    Aren't you going to accuse divegeester of mouth worship?
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    24 Mar '18 21:33
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    I am a Christian, a real one in my opinion. I have a faith, I respect the gospel of Jesus Christ and I believe that Jesus is Lord.

    However, I also look at Christianity and at the bible and the other part of me thinks “WTF!” Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes.

    Anyone else have this issue, just wondering?
    What makes a real Christian, in your opinion?
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    24 Mar '18 21:55
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    Dont judge . Advise instead
    Maybe you should listen to and act upon your own advice.
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    25 Mar '18 08:11
    Originally posted by @secondson
    What makes a real Christian, in your opinion?
    My faith.
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    25 Mar '18 08:16
    Originally posted by @js357
    What is the issue for you?

    Is it that there are people who claim that the Bible asserts that Eternal torture, genocidal floods and talking snakes are factual, and such facts collide with your picture of what is true? This is easy, there are such people and they are wrong. However, it leaves some doubt that the Bible is to be taken “literally.” Whatever tha ...[text shortened]... : but then the Lord is talking to you through these other humans? Don’t believe it for a minute.
    These two positions are not mutually exclusive, however the first i now reject out of hand. Like most religious people I was “brought up” (loosest meaning) to believe x y z, or I have bec9me aware that a b c is believed by other Christians. I have decided to make my own mind up and I reject a lot of what other Christian believe, or have themselves been “brought up” to believe. The trinity and eternal suffering are two examples of things I never have believed anyway but genocide and murder does not fit with my moral code either.

    God has not told me to believe in these things.
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