@secondson saidI talk about it because it's true. I don't need you to see it the same way.
Yes you are. You claim there are Christians in this forum that believe or hold to a "torturer god ideology".
How else except by misrepresenting what they say can you make that claim?
I had been discussing torturer god ideology with its proponents here for ten years already before you started posting, although someone using the screen name "josephw" spent years using exactly the same "proxy" gimmick - pretty much word for word as you are - for years.
If you don't think the term torturer god ideology [something Christians like divegeester and Suzianne do not subscribe to, and nor did "josephw"] is appropriate, so be it. I can live with your dissent which is duly noted.
@secondson saidYour groupist ideology sounds completely parochial and man made to me.
Biblical repentance. Metanoeo - To change one's mind. It corresponds with confession, homologeĊ - to say the same thing.
In other words, according to the Word of God, one agrees with God that they're a sinner and changes their mind about continuing in rebellion.
Not the Hindu god. Not the Muslim god. The one and only God. The God of the Bible. The only God that offers ...[text shortened]... nyone that repents and confesses Jesus as savior and Lord.
Straight forward and just that simple.
@secondson saidAll religions are "supported by" their scriptures.
I'm sure it sounds that way to you, but it is sound biblical doctrine fully supported by the scriptures.
@fmf saidHave they the sent Son of God in their life? Being repentance is but part of accepting God because God shows us our need to repent. If you repent for another reason doesn’t show one God, if repentance is due to other reasons, God’s work has God in it. Without God it might appear similar but void of the One required.
There are Muslims who are repentant. There are Jews who are repentant. There are Hindus who are repentant.
@kellyjay saidJews and Hindus and Muslims are not Christians. In the case of Jews and Muslims, they believe in the same Abrahamic God as you do but don't believe the same stuff as you do about Jesus. The "Son of God" thing is just your religion, not theirs. You don't think Jews and Muslims repent to the Abrahamic God?
Have they the sent Son of God in their life? Being repentance is but part of accepting God because God shows us our need to repent. If you repent for another reason doesn’t show one God, if repentance is due to other reasons, God’s work has God in it. Without God it might appear similar but void of the One required.
@secondson saidAll religions have their separate and different mythologies and doctrines. There is no book on earth that's the same as the Bible. Same goes for the Torah. And the Koran. Every religion has its own literature.
Therein lies the rub of it.
Which of their gods rose from the dead? Jesus is Lord.
Don't even try to compare. There's no book on earth as the Bible.
@fmf saidThe Torah is contained in the Bible. The Koran contains a copy of much of the Torah, but denies the identity the Bible gives Jesus Christ.
All religions have their separate and different mythologies and doctrines. There is no book on earth that's the same as the Bible. Same goes for the Torah. And the Koran. Every religion has its own literature.
That all religions have books isn't the point. They don't compare. You're living in a world of intellectual illusions if you think they do. What on earth did you learn from the Bible all those decades calling yourself a Christian if you didn't learn the fundamental principles of faith in Christ that you should even think to relegate the Word of God on equal terms with every other religions literature?
Somewhere along the line you must have stopped learning, if you even ever began.
You probably think I'm saying all that in some mean spirited, bigoted and religious fundamentalists fashion meant to degrade you to make myself feel better than you or reinforce my convictions.
@secondson saidHave you ever sat down with a hot mug of coco sir and read the Vedas, cover to cover? If not, how do you know it doesn't compare?
The Torah is contained in the Bible. The Koran contains a copy of much of the Torah, but denies the identity the Bible gives Jesus Christ.
That all religions have books isn't the point. They don't compare. You're living in a world of intellectual illusions if you think they do. What on earth did you learn from the Bible all those decades calling yourself a Christian if y ...[text shortened]... alists fashion meant to degrade you to make myself feel better than you or reinforce my convictions.
It's like saying Strawberry is the best ice cream when you haven't even explored mint choc chip.
@fmf saidYou are just repeating yourself now, you know the truth, you just refuse it.
Jews and Hindus and Muslims are not Christians. In the case of Jews and Muslims, they believe in the same Abrahamic God as you do but don't believe the same stuff as you do about Jesus. The "Son of God" thing is just your religion, not theirs. You don't think Jews and Muslims repent to the Abrahamic God?
Yes you are. You claim there are Christians in this forum that believe or hold to a "torturer god ideology".
How else except by misrepresenting what they say can you make that claim?
At best it is a lopsided and biased one side only representation.
I never see from them a - "God's Son Made Sin For Us Ideology".
I never see from them a - "God's Son Became Sin Ideology."
I never see from them an - "Innocent Righteous Son Bore Curse for Sinners Ideology"
@sonship saidThose things aren't inflammatory enough.
@SecondSonYes you are. You claim there are Christians in this forum that believe or hold to a "torturer god ideology".
How else except by misrepresenting what they say can you make that claim?
At best it is a lopsided and biased one side only representation.
I never see from them a - "God's Son Made Sin For Us Ideology".
I never see from ...[text shortened]... Ideology."
I never see from them an - "Innocent Righteous Son Bore Curse for Sinners Ideology"
They need people burning in agony by a torturer god to inflame their anthropomorphic perceptions of a just God, and to fuel their vehement displeasure with anyone that disagrees with them.
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@sonship saidKeep in mind a few things first being Jesus became a man and lived as one with all
@KellyJay
Kelly, this should continue our exchange about John 1:14 and 1 Cor. 15:45. I will attempt to be brief.
If you are attempting to suggest that Jesus couldn't remain who He is by taking on additional titles you would be wrong.
Jesus told His disciples that it was EXPEDIENT that He go away or else the Comforter would not come to the ...[text shortened]... u should consider expedient that "the last Adam BECAME a life giving Spirit." (1 Cor. 15:45)
of the limitations that men have. That means He didn't turn on and off His
Godhood, He humbled Himself to be as one of us and obeyed the Father even to
His death on the cross. He felt all of our temptations yet without sin, He even had
something to look forward to, the joy set before Him to encourage Him.
Hebrews 12 English Standard Version (ESV) 1- 2
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
While here as man until His death He couldn't be with us as the Holy Spirit, as
He sat down at the right hand of God there He intercedes for us, but the Holy
Spirit was sent by the Father and the Son comes into each of us, not to talk about
Himself but share what we need by teaching us, directing our steps to do the
work of God, and He is the seal of the promise that we have received God's
salvation.
Ephesians 1:12-14 English Standard Version (ESV)
12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
The thing about Adam and Jesus is that both were men, the first and the second.
One failed, the other the victor who over came the world. It was foretold He was
coming and He would become one of us throughout the Old Testament. As far
back as Genesis.
Are you attempting to prove a oneness doctrine?
Genesis 3
14 The Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and above all beasts of the field;
on your belly you shall go,
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
15
I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”