Originally posted by @secondsonIt's not splitting hairs. Don't be so silly. One god figure supposedly grants eternal life to a certain proportion of humanity while the rest pass away. Another god figure supposedly doesn't let them pass away ~ billions and billions of people ~ but instead tortures them in flames for eternity for their lack of belief. I'm not "splitting hairs". They are completely different god figures.
You're splitting hairs.
The biblical narrative is indisputable. Those who reject Christ suffer everlasting destruction while those who by faith trust in Christ receive eternal life.
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-Removed-Visions are signs of things to come, maybe not the literal, but the meaning is to give us
a warning, peace, or convey some message. Having conversations with angels did that
happen? The point of that book is that this world is coming to an end, and the end is not
going to be nice, sweet, loving, kind, but wrath and the end of evil is going to be dealt
with once and for all. Just because you may feel that some of parts of that book are not
literal that does not mean your right, or that all of the rest was! Hell was also not limited
to just that book either, the end times events are also not limited to that book. Rebellious
hearts of man towards God also not limited to just that book either.
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-Removed-So God who has allowed us room to repent by giving us this space of time of Him being
very long suffering, since He sees everything we say and do right now, do you think He
is always going to allow how we treat each other just go unanswered without
consequence? That unrepentant people who reject Jesus' grace, who abuse and misuse
everyone and everything around them, will receive Jesus grace despite their contempt for
Him, denying Christ and the love of God for lust, hate, and so on? Will these unrepentant
God hating souls enjoy God's Kingdom too, or will God deal with them in ways as bad,
as He does in ways that are good who have admitted their sins and turn from them?
For those who have made Him Lord of their lives, who have repented of their sins in the
face of this evil world and whatever the devil and his angels do to them, they remain
faithful. What will God do, to be pure just and fair towards man all of us would pay for
each sin we have done, but God the Father sent Jesus, Jesus became sin for us who
knew no sin taking upon Himself the punishment we deserved, then sending the Spirit
of God so we can share in His life. He choose to give us away back to Him that has
satisfied God's Holy and Righteous requirements, if we neglect that what then?
Will it be a tap on the hand in your opinion, just ignore the whole thing? What will a just
and Holy God do, allow the unrepentant child rapist, murders, to enjoy heaven next to
the victims too? His loving grace and mercy will be great, He wrath will be too!
Originally posted by @kellyjayDoesn't the message of Jesus of Nazereth rail against this (implied) idea of redemptive violence (wrath)?
So God who has allowed us room to repent by giving us this space of time of Him being
very long suffering, since He sees everything we say and do right now, do you think He
is always going to allow how we treat each other just go unanswered without
consequence? That unrepentant people who reject Jesus' grace, who abuse and misuse
everyone and everythin ...[text shortened]... heaven next to
the victims too? His loving grace and mercy will be great, He wrath will be too!
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Originally posted by @secondsonHas this forum addressed why eternal life is supposed to be a plum condition to have?
You're splitting hairs.
The biblical narrative is indisputable. Those who reject Christ suffer everlasting destruction while those who by faith trust in Christ receive eternal life.
Plum: something superior or very desirable
Originally posted by @ragwortNo, He warns of the impending doom quite a bit. I shared one such warning earlier by Jesus. Redemption is offered not forced upon us!
Doesn't the message of Jesus of Nazereth rail against this (implied) idea of redemptive violence (wrath)?
-Removed-What you and I think about such things are meaningless, if true our likes and dislikes do not come into play. The horror of a sinful life I don’t think we can comprehend any more than a fish grasp water. What the weight of our sins actually amounts to is clearly seen by God and why He is dealing with it the way He is should give us a clue what He thinks of evil.