the insanity of faith

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
There is no genuine love if the 2 people are enemies. Which part of that are you not getting?!

Trying to divert in to a discussion about 2 random people who are not enemies and whether or not they love each other 'really' is a strawman argument. My comments are solely in regards to loving an enemy.

If you really don't understand that, bog off.

If you could tell me whether random person A loved random person B, then you would have a set of criteria by which you could tell whether person A loves enemy B, but you can't so you don't.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If you could tell me whether random person A loved random person B, then you would have a set of criteria by which you could tell whether person A loves enemy B, but you can't so you don't.

Very funny when ignorant people try to use rational language of Logic
by using "person A" and "person B" as if that gives weight to their argument.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Very funny when ignorant people try to use rational language of Logic
by using "person A" and "person B" as if that gives weight to their argument.

Bearing in mind his intellectual fortitude, person A is probably an Aubergine and person B a Brussels sprout.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Bearing in mind his intellectual fortitude, person A is probably an Aubergine and person B a Brussels sprout.

Person A = abused.
Person B = brainwashed.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Very funny when ignorant people try to use rational language of Logic
by using "person A" and "person B" as if that gives weight to their argument.

Actually funny that you would resort to ad hominems when you have no other come back.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
No just two random people, person A and person B. What would you consider as evidence that they love one another?

I would consider as evidence a specific evaluation as regards the nature of their bond.

That being said, now picture this:
In front of you stands the arrested man who broke your house and raped and killed your old father and shot your mother. A tough nut, a dangerous criminal as sharp as it gets.
Would you evaluate this person either as an enemy of yours, or as a friendly person, or as a stranded, common poor man who ended up bad, or as… you name it?

After your educated evaluation,
Would you forgive him?
Would you love him?

If you would love him according to the Christian dogma, kindly please describe your feelings and your attitude towards this person;
😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
I would consider as evidence a specific evaluation as regards the nature of their bond.

That being said, now picture this:
In front of you stands the arrested man who broke your house and raped and killed your old father and shot your mother. A tough nut, a dangerous criminal as sharp as it gets.
Would you evaluate this person either as an enemy o ...[text shortened]... Christian dogma, kindly please describe your feelings and your attitude towards this person;
😵

Before I answer your question, would you mind saying what specific evidence you would accept that person A loves person B? 😉

Originally posted by @black-beetle
I would consider as evidence a specific evaluation as regards the nature of their bond.

That being said, now picture this:
In front of you stands the arrested man who broke your house and raped and killed your old father and shot your mother. A tough nut, a dangerous criminal as sharp as it gets.
Would you evaluate this person either as an enemy o ...[text shortened]... Christian dogma, kindly please describe your feelings and your attitude towards this person;
😵

You want real life examples of this?
https://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-forgiveness/
http://preparethewayministry.com/content/protais-rwandan-genocide-survivor%E2%80%99s-story

I'd say examples like this are not the real killers with us, but all of the little grudges we
hold against each other, where we cut no one slack. Deadly thing unforgiveness, it is a
nasty one, stacks right up towards the top of our flaws..

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You want real life examples of this?
https://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-forgiveness/
http://preparethewayministry.com/content/protais-rwandan-genocide-survivor%E2%80%99s-story

I'd say examples like this are not the real killers with us, but all of the little grudges we
hold against each other, where we cut no one slack. Deadly thing unforgiveness, it is a
nasty one, stacks right up towards the top of our flaws..

I've heard it said having a grudge is equivalent to drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Before I answer your question, would you mind saying what specific evidence you would accept that person A loves person B? 😉

The way I see it, A truly loves B when he jumps in the volcano in order to save B's life;
😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You want real life examples of this?
https://lancasterpa.com/amish/amish-forgiveness/
http://preparethewayministry.com/content/protais-rwandan-genocide-survivor%E2%80%99s-story

I'd say examples like this are not the real killers with us, but all of the little grudges we
hold against each other, where we cut no one slack. Deadly thing unforgiveness, it is a
nasty one, stacks right up towards the top of our flaws..

Forgiveness is forgiveness. It is deep compassion, not love;
😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
The way I see it, A truly loves B when he jumps in the volcano in order to save B's life;
😵

So unless B falls into a volcano you can't tell? 😵

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So unless B falls into a volcano you can't tell? 😵

I cannot,
however I can tell as regards my personal feelings. I truly love a person and I would offer on the spot my life in order to protect her😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
I cannot,
however I can tell as regards my personal feelings. I truly love a person and I would offer on the spot my life in order to protect her😵

Indeed. And such feelings would never be extended to someone you viewed as an enemy.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Indeed. And such feelings would never be extended to someone you viewed as an enemy.

Sure thing😵