the insanity of faith

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Did you miss the part where I referenced evolution? (Heavily evidenced). And we were discussing Adam and Eve, rather than creation itself.

What undeniable corroborating evidence do you have that the bible account of Adam and Eve is accurate?

Creation heavily evidenced, is much stronger in my opinion, since the whole of creation has
be laid out just right or no life here could ever show up.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Did you miss the part where I referenced evolution? (Heavily evidenced). And we were discussing Adam and Eve, rather than creation itself.

What undeniable corroborating evidence do you have that the bible account of Adam and Eve is accurate?

So you are saying the Biblical account of creation and 'evolution' are mutually exclusive?

Is see no evidence that contradicts the Biblical account. If you are aware of any feel free to present it.

Originally posted by @odbod
Given that we both agree that our minds have limited capacity,our absolute belief in anything,including the existence of a god must have an element of doubt associated with it.It may well be the case that it is our lot to learn more yet never come to full understanding.

It is because of the limited capacity of our minds that faith is needed.

God is infinite and has no limited intellectual capacity, but not so with us. Therefore, at some point we must either latch onto the God who has infinite wisdom/knowledge, or reject him due to our finite capacity. At some point, we must experience this blind spot and either place our faith in the said God or reject him.

That is why I think God has no interest in proving himself to us. Adam and Eve walked and talked with him in the Garden, but then rejected him. Likewise, the children of Israel saw him part the Red Sea and the countless miracles he did for them, but then built a golden calf to worship instead.

God is love. Love is not about proving someone exists. Love is about wanting to place your faith in them.

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Acknowledged under these circumstances, "faith" is merely lucky guessing. Not a good quality of faith I reckon. However

say I have a diamond in one of my closed palms and you trust me in full, because you know me quite well and you are quite sure I honor my word and I do not lie on you. In this case, you remain sceptical simply as regards whether I ...[text shortened]... ale G-d, otherwise it does not work my feer, dead in the ocean of deep ignorance you remain;
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Sigh.

No, faith Is not like a visiting a casino, try again.

Originally posted by @whodey
It is because of the limited capacity of our minds that faith is needed.

Fair enough. Therefore shiva and odin, right? Or are you trying to sneak in some other view.

Originally posted by @whodey
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God is ...

Says you. You are entitled to your faith, whodey. Do not pretend your faith is rational.

Originally posted by @apathist
Fair enough. Therefore shiva and odin, right? Or are you trying to sneak in some other view.

Believe as you wish, I don't care. Why are you so controling?

Earlier didn't you want to control who could live on this planet? Are you not afrais of over population?

Originally posted by @apathist
Says you. You are entitled to your faith, whodey. Do not pretend your faith is rational.

You believe your faith is rational?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Creation heavily evidenced, is much stronger in my opinion, since the whole of creation has be laid out just right or no life here could ever show up.

I see the attraction, but it is nonetheless a well known fallacy. Where else would life occur, except where it was possible?

Originally posted by @eladar
Believe as you wish, I don't care. Why are you so controling?

Earlier didn't you want to control who could live on this planet? Are you not afrais of over population?

Your first question is very hypocritical. It is your camp that is controlling, I merely resist.

Your second question, oh yes. We should take care of our home, don't you think?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You believe your faith is rational?

I know you have good intentions, but I think you don't really understand what faith belief is about.

Originally posted by @apathist
I see the attraction, but it is nonetheless a well known fallacy. Where else would life occur, except where it was possible?

My point exactly!

Originally posted by @apathist
I know you have good intentions, but I think you don't really understand what faith belief is about.

Enlighten me

Originally posted by @whodey
It is because of the limited capacity of our minds that faith is needed.

God is infinite and has no limited intellectual capacity, but not so with us. Therefore, at some point we must either latch onto the God who has infinite wisdom/knowledge, or reject him due to our finite capacity. At some point, we must experience this blind spot and either place o ...[text shortened]... . Love is not about proving someone exists. Love is about wanting to place your faith in them.

A definition of love is highly problematic to say the least.That said,which do you consider to be the most valuable,love given because of faith in another person or god,or love given without any expectation?

Originally posted by @odbod
A definition of love is highly problematic to say the least.That said,which do you consider to be the most valuable,love given because of faith in another person or god,or love given without any expectation?

The love given without expectation means we can not earn it.