the insanity of faith

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Well evidenced as in things we can observe or well evidenced as in we put in a lot of guess work?

The former.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
The former.

How do you physically observe something that has never happened in your life time and supposedly happened millions of years ago without using a large amount of guess work?

Originally posted by @fmf
I don't think any Christians choose to "love those who hate [them] and want [them] dead". I think it is merely a ladle full of dogmatic, holier-than-thou duckspeak on their part when they claim they do. They don't "choose" to do it. Some people might genuinely be filled with a "faith" or "love" like idealism with regards to enemies which is rooted deeply in their psychology, but the notion that they do it by "choice" I think is posturing nonsense.

All righty then. Keep judging and assuming.

Thanks for that.

Originally posted by @whodey
All righty then. Keep judging and assuming.

Thanks for that.

I judged your assertions as weak and assumed you are just trotting them out dogmatically. And I said why. That's debate and discussion, isn't it?

Originally posted by @fmf
I judged your assertions as weak and assumed you are just trotting them out dogmatically. And I said why. That's debate and discussion, isn't it?

Christians have a rich history of turning the other cheek and choosing to love their adversaries instead of trying to kill off those who wish them dead.

Or did you not study history?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
I agree, which is where faith comes in.

Which is just another way of saying, stop critical thinking. Trust me, I know all about God. He talks to me daily.

Originally posted by @sonhouse
Which is just another way of saying, stop critical thinking. Trust me, I know all about God. He talks to me daily.

Hardly, critical thinking doesn't presuppose an outcome, or if that is unavoidable, it looks at its own sides flaws as possibly wrong, as easily as it does any other view point.

Originally posted by @whodey
Christians have a rich history of turning the other cheek and choosing to love their adversaries instead of trying to kill off those who wish them dead.

Or did you not study history?

I don't think they loved them. I think you are immersed in the propaganda and mythology of your particular retail religion. You are one of this web site's most dedicated, incessant, and ostentatious haters of those you disagree with, if the Debates Forum is anything to go by. So spare me your vicarious virtue signalling and your talk of a supposed supernatural capacity to "love". 😉

Originally posted by @whodey
Sigh.

No, faith Is not like a visiting a casino, try again.

Your ability to pay attention is impaired, whodey. Where did I say that faith is like visiting a casino? Instead of sighing, kindly please read my post again;
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Originally posted by @kellyjay
You realize God is not just a musing of man. Being our creator who when He was done molding us from the dust of the earth, breathed into us giving us life. The bound between us broken by our betrayal breaking faith with Him.

Not much about us is different now from then, we either seek and trust or not.

The Orthodox monks up there on Athos mountain are dead sure about G-d's existence, my feer. They see G-d everywhere and they are one thousand per cent that the evaluation of their minds is accurate as regards this matter.
The Buddhist monks are dead sure about the existence of the Clear Light, They see Clear Light penetrating Kosmos.
The Sufi monks are constantly swirling in Allah's love. They are dead sure that Allah is a living entity.
All of them, they do not merely ...have faith. They really know what they know conceptually and non-conceptually and thus they feel what they feel deep down. To them, their knowledge is accurate and positive. No big deal;
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Originally posted by @fmf
I don't think they loved them. I think you are immersed in the propaganda and mythology of your particular retail religion. You are one of this web site's most dedicated, incessant, and ostentatious haters of those you disagree with, if the Debates Forum is anything to go by. So spare me your vicarious virtue signalling and your talk of a supposed supernatural capacity to "love". 😉

Again, love is not about liking someone or even being "nice".

Some times you need to grab a whip.

Again, history shows that Christians have made the CHOICE to not render evil for evil, which is what the world shows time and again. This is the choice to love your enemies that I was referring to.

In my own life, I've practiced this on more than one occasion. Unfortunately now always, but I can attest to it having mended fences when practiced. It does not always mend fences, and arguably it usually does not, but at least there is the chance. I'm sure in the back of their minds it nags them when someone turns the other cheek if they do not make peace with you.

Originally posted by @whodey
history shows that Christians have made the CHOICE to not render evil for evil, which is what the world shows time and again. This is the choice to love your enemies that I was referring to.

Oh the irony. whodey claiming to be endowed with some supernatural capacity for "love". You really are beyond parody. 😛

Originally posted by @black-beetle
The Orthodox monks up there on Athos mountain are dead sure about G-d's existence, my feer. They see G-d everywhere and they are one thousand per cent that the evaluation of their minds is accurate as regards this matter.
The Buddhist monks are dead sure about the existence of the Clear Light, They see Clear Light penetrating Kosmos.
The Sufi monks a ...[text shortened]... el what they feel deep down. To them, their knowledge is accurate and positive. No big deal;
😵

Well sincere beliefs don't mean truth, our issues being many, have among them what we use to understand and measure what is truth. Another one of many issues are we can listen to teachers that tell us what we want to hear, this colors everything to suit what we want to see.

Originally posted by @fmf
Oh the irony. whodey claiming to be endowed with some supernatural capacity for "love". You really are beyond parody. 😛

Would you say then that IF God had actually worked through me that this would be miraculous?

I can't say I can disagree. All glory belongs to God.

Originally posted by @whodey
Is love rational?

Not so much.
Therefore faith belief?