To believe in this concept, is ridiculous. It would be like saying, "today" I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. And tomorrow I can do whatever I want, because I am "saved". Doing whatever I want, to commit all manner of sin, but look I am a child of God.
Has know one ever read, where Jesus is talking about those at judgement. You faithful come here. And those left behind saying, "Lord we cast out demons in your name, we healed people in your name." Then the Lord said to them, "Away from me, I never knew you".
Originally posted by PudgenikThat was not the original idea of the saying. However, you are right, that some people interpret it as you did. If Jesus saves a person, do you really think that person could be unsaved?
To believe in this concept, is ridiculous. It would be like saying, "today" I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. And tomorrow I can do whatever I want, because I am "saved". Doing whatever I want, to commit all manner of sin, but look I am a child of God.
Has know one ever read, where Jesus is talking about those at judgement. You faithful co ...[text shortened]... e, we healed people in your name." Then the Lord said to them, "Away from me, I never knew you".
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Originally posted by RJHindsNo because Jesus does the saving, we don't. And someone who is saved isn't going to go out and deliberately said. It would be because they are being oppressed and dwelling on sinful thoughts from the enemies of God. If you could lose your salvation why get saved?
If Jesus saves a person, do you really think that person could be unsaved?
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Originally posted by RBHILLOh would you get over your differences and get on with the business of saving sorry-ass souls?
No because Jesus does the saving, we don't. And someone who is saved isn't going to go out and deliberately said. It would be because they are being oppressed and dwelling on sinful thoughts from the enemies of God. If you could lose your salvation why get saved?
Originally posted by PudgenikBut the whole concept of being saved is about being saved despite your sins -essentially you are saved not because you are good, but because you have found a loophole.
To believe in this concept, is ridiculous. It would be like saying, "today" I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. And tomorrow I can do whatever I want, because I am "saved". Doing whatever I want, to commit all manner of sin, but look I am a child of God.
So whats your version? Can you never be saved until after you die, or once you are saved can you be unsaved, or once you are saved are you incapable of sin.
PS. I am not a theist, I just like poking holes in the ridiculous logic you theists come up with.
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Originally posted by SwissGambit
Not this debate again. Expect 300 more posts of distinction-without-a-difference. Why? Because the OSAS crowd will always say 'a Christian who acts too evilly was never really saved in the first place', rendering the whole discussion moot.
OSAS crowd will always say ..
Really ? That has not what I have noticed.
Are you sure you're not generalizing ?