Originally posted by KellyJayThere are a million things in my life that give benefit. But no, atheism isn't one of them.
Yes, which is my point. I altered my post. You get nothing for Atheism, not believing isn't
going to add to or take away from you. While God if real can give, if the rejection of God
or the disbelief however you want to paint it...doesn't do anything for you to give a benefit.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI am not 'shooting randomly'. I provided a reference proving my point and explained the definitions to you. That you are too stupid to understand plain English is not me 'shooting randomly'.
Obviously if you are an atheist you can just shoot randomly and whatever you hit you can call the target.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf God is real then his effects will be felt by both theists and atheists. Atheism isn't the non-existence of God, nor is theism the existence of God. The benefits of atheism almost all stem from not believing something that just ain't so. Its not that much different from not believing in fairies, or not believing in astrology.
Yes, which is my point. I altered my post. You get nothing for Atheism, not believing isn't
going to add to or take away from you. While God if real can give, if the rejection of God
or the disbelief however you want to paint it...doesn't do anything for you to give a benefit.
Originally posted by Great King RatBut my point is that this doesn't "make" you Catholic, just like it doesn't "make" you a Jew, or a Lutheran, or a Baptist, or a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness, or any other sort of Christian.
I was baptized and years later did communion. My parents weren't religious at all, but my grandparents were and my parents decided to let me do (or rather, undergo) these rituals as a kind of nice gesture towards their parents.
My entire family came to visit me and I made a lot of money from it, allowing me to buy a brand new bike 😏
I just neve ...[text shortened]... d from the church. So here I am, skewing the numbers concerning "Christians in The Netherlands".
Rituals without belief mean nothing.
Originally posted by SuzianneWrong belief in itself is meaningless without works, James himself the half brother of the Christ said as much.
But my point is that this doesn't "make" you Catholic, just like it doesn't "make" you a Jew, or a Lutheran, or a Baptist, or a Mormon, or a Jehovah's Witness, or any other sort of Christian.
Rituals without belief mean nothing.
Originally posted by sonhouseThey are instances of disobeying god's will ... "sins" ... whereas "morality" is the governing of human interactions. 'Spilling your seed on the ground', while angering the Hebrew god according to the mythology, could only be "immoral" if it were to cause some kind of morally unsound impact for someone else. The Ten Commandments are about "sins"; in so far as they coincide with issues of "morality" (for non-believers, anyway), well that's just overlap.
There are all kinds of morality rules in the bible, don't spill your seed on the ground, for instance. Ten commandments are pretty blatant morality statements.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou are welcome to believe that 'Christian atheism' is a real religion, just as you are welcome to believe that the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a real religion. Look, I'll provide you with a reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
I am not 'shooting randomly'. I provided a reference proving my point and explained the definitions to you. That you are too stupid to understand plain English is not me 'shooting randomly'.
Originally posted by Great King RatOk since morals are subjective then from where do you get your morals? Would you agree that you get them from your society?
No, morals are subjective but may be shared by a large group of people.
Is this you working towards your best piece of evidence? I am totally intrigued.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkYou are in denial. It is a fact that there are a large number of people who call themselves Christian who do not believe in God. Deny it all you want, its not going to change the facts and it will only make you look the fool.
You are welcome to believe that 'Christian atheism' is a real religion, just as you are welcome to believe that the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a real religion. Look, I'll provide you with a reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
Originally posted by twhiteheadI don't deny that they call themselves Christians. I just don't see why you think they should be taken seriously. Just like the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The point you seem to be missing is if you remove God from Christianity there not much left of it.
You are in denial. It is a fact that there are a large number of people who call themselves Christian who do not believe in God. Deny it all you want, its not going to change the facts and it will only make you look the fool.