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Originally posted by galveston75Yes. Totally for real. You contradicted yourself. You said that it wasn't about looking to add some meaning to your life and that it was selfless. A few moments later you said it was about the most rewarding thing possible, that it made you feel so blessed etc. I do not see us as being in conflict at all, galveston75. I am simply pointing out the contradiction in what you said.
Are you for real? There is no contradiction at all in my statement. Let me try "again" as it seems you are trying to make this a conflict instead of truly asking questions to learn why we do what we do and the reasons behind it, aren't you?
No one I know is doing this to gain what they can "first" and then hope they can help someone to learn about J e no need to converse with you and waist my time. That is not what this thread is about.
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Originally posted by galveston75I am not talking about what some hypothetical/analogous doctor might or might not say or think about what he did or didn't feel his motives might or might not have been. I am talking about what you actually did say about yourself.
This statement by you is no different then a person becoming a doctor just so he can bring in the big $$$$$ as his motive instead of why he should be a doctor which is to help people. Right?
Originally posted by FMFI made my comment and it was very clear what I said and meant. Sorry you can't understand it......
Yes. Totally for real. You contradicted yourself. You said that it wasn't about looking to add some meaning to our lives and that it was selfless. A few moments later you said it was about the most rewarding thing possible, that it made you feel so blessed etc. I do not see us as being in conflict at all, galveston75. I am simply pointing out the contradiction in what you said.
Originally posted by galveston75What seems unspoken here is whether the existence of personal motivations invalidates our actions. It can be argued that all of our actions are motivated by perceived personal benefit, but if this is true, is their value to be rejected because of it? I may have missed something the two of you agreed on about this, maybe that's all there is to it.
Are you for real? There is no contradiction at all in my statement. Let me try "again" as it seems you are trying to make this a conflict instead of truly asking questions to learn why we do what we do and the reasons behind it, aren't you?
No one I know is doing this to gain what they can "first" and then hope they can help someone to learn about J ...[text shortened]... e no need to converse with you and waist my time. That is not what this thread is about.
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Originally posted by JS357I guess there are a million different shades of gray in what a persons motives are for helping their neighbor. In a perfect world we all should give or help without any expectations back from the person we may have helped, but the world is not perfect.
What seems unspoken here is whether the existence of personal motivations invalidates our actions. It can be argued that all of our actions are motivated by perceived personal benefit, but if this is true, is their value to be rejected because of it? I may have missed something the two of you agreed on about this, maybe that's all there is to it.
The only perfect human example we have is Jesus and what he conveyed to his followers and that is to give "freely".
This is what we try to do, we are not perfect and there may be some who are doing this teaching work to hopefully save their own skin. But the problem with that motive is God can see thru it.
But we are taught from the top down why we do this teaching work and that is to simply share what we have learned and to give ones on this planet a hope for the future on a beautiful paradise earth that God will restore.
That is the truth and one that is in the Bible for all to see if that is what they desire to see one day in person.
If not, that is their decision...
Originally posted by JS357No, the existence of personal motivations does not invalidate our actions. Claims of selflessness, though, when it does not appear to be the case, can be called out I think; it's just a discussion. Anyone here can call me out if I claim to be selfless about something and then proceed to list the reasons why that something makes me feel good and what I personally gain from it.
What seems unspoken here is whether the existence of personal motivations invalidates our actions. It can be argued that all of our actions are motivated by perceived personal benefit, but if this is true, is their value to be rejected because of it? I may have missed something the two of you agreed on about this, maybe that's all there is to it.
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Originally posted by RJHindsRwandan genocide, 10,000 people were killed everyday, some 800,000 people were
I believe there are many Christians who are not members of the JW organisation. I don't really think the JW organization is Christian.
http://carm.org/is-the-jehovahs-witness-religion-christian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyuW7qkUQB8
killed over all, there were at the time, 2400 Witnesses living in Rawanda, 400 lost
their lives. None lost their lives to other Witnesses, nuff said about who are real
Christians and who are not,
(John 13:35) . . .By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love
among yourselves.”
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Originally posted by FMFI have nothing to say to persons who quote partial quotaions, taken out of context from articles they have not read. More than that i have provided the actual principle Christ himself stated would be the defining characteristic of all true Christians backed up with empirical data demonstrating that Jehovahs Witnesses fulfill that criteria, you may make reference to that, if you like.
Why not just answer divegeester's question unequivocally?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo that's a yes.
I have nothing to say to persons who quote partial quotaions, taken out of context from articles they have not read. More than that i have provided the actual principle Christ himself stated would be the defining characteristic of all true Christians backed up with empirical data demonstrating that Jehovahs Witnesses fulfill that criteria, you may make reference to that, if you like.