15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut I asked you if you could back your opinion with empirical data. Can't you? Yours is not testimony from an independent source, by your own standard. I have not once ever heard you either privately state anything negative nor publicly 'publish' on this forum anything negative about Jehovahs witnesses, which - by your own standard - makes you biased, right?
yes i have never once, no, not once ever heard them either privately state anything
positive nor publicly publish anything positive about Jehovahs witnesses, if you have
knowledge to the contrary then you are free to produce it or the statement stands, they
are biased.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo that seems to be a "no" on accepting the testimony of bible scholars who are critical of the NWT, right?
It depends, have they taken it upon themselves to review more than one translation
and made a comparison with the original Greek and Hebrew texts and published their
analysis so that it may be evaluated, if so, produce their analysis or are we going to be
subject to more mere opinion of the spiritual buffet kings!
15 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFeither produce the positive statements and/or publications or admit that they are
But I asked you if you could back your opinion with empirical data. Can't you? Yours is not testimony from an independent source, by your own standard. I have not once ever heard you either privately state anything negative nor publicly 'publish' on this forum anything negative about Jehovahs witnesses, which - by your own standard - makes you biased, right?
biased, if you have evidence then let it be shown and i will retract the statement of
bias. Yes i am biased, i have publicly admitted as much, so what?
15 May 12
Originally posted by FMFI stated if they have independently examined various translations and made a
So that seems to be a "no" on accepting the testimony of bible scholars who are critical of the NWT, right?
comparison in order to produce their findings, where is their evidence and on what is it
based, stating that they are biblical scholars is meaningless, stating that they are
critical of the NWT is also meaningless, either they have examined various translations
so as to make a comparison or they have not.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy is your bias - and no one else's - valid in your mind?
either produce the positive statements and/or publications or admit that they are
biased, if you have evidence then let it be shown and i will retract the statement of
bias. Yes i am biased , which i have publicly admitted!
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell you know full well that there have been such comparisons made and criticisms of the NWT have been made. They have been discussed on this forum in some detail.
I stated if they have independently examined various translations and made a
comparison in order to produce their findings, where is their evidence and on what is it
based, stating that they are biblical scholars is meaningless, stating that they are
critical of the NWT is also meaningless, either they have examined various translations
so as to make a comparison or they have not.
15 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFIts not more valid, it has very little meaning to anyone but me. Why others bias exists
Why is your bias - and no one else's - valid in your mind?
and to what extent is hardly less relevant than mine, how do you say that its more or
less relevant?
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRight. Your claims about your own organisation don't hold as much as weight as you perhaps think they do. I don't see why you think ex-JW members' testimony can be so blithely dismissed by someone who admits his own testimony has "very little meaning".
Its not more valid, it has very little meaning to anyone but me.
15 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFNo they are hardly representative of the now near eight million Jehovahs witnesses in
Will you accept any testimony from victims of sexual abuse who are critical of JW's handling of their cases or of JW's paedophilia policies in general?
over 100,000 congregations worldwide, if you like we can look at the figures for sexual
abuse and make a comparison with those of society in general and other religious
organisations and note the rather stark contrast, which you will attempt to explain
providing references and empirical data. You may make reference to our policy in
dealing with abuse. I do not accept any spiritual buffet kings assertions without
evidence, so far you have produced nothing.
15 May 12
Originally posted by FMFwould you please stick to one topic at a time, you started with assertions, although
robbie, would you mind refraining from changing your posts after I have already responded to them. It's poor form in my view. Thanks.
rather vague of evidence of a cult, you have so far produced nothing, if you have
evidence other than mere opinion then let it be heard, otherwise your wasting my time.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo that's a "no" to accepting testimony from victims of sexual abuse who are critical of the JW organisation's handling of abuse?
No they are hardly representative of the now near eight million Jehovahs witnesses in
over 100,000 congregations worldwide, if you like we can look at the figures for sexual abuse and make a comparison with those of society in general and other religious
organisations and note the rather stark contrast, which you will attempt to explain providing ...[text shortened]... accept any spiritual buffet kings assertions without evidence, so far you have produced nothing.
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Originally posted by FMFI gave reasons you may make reference to those. What is it about empirical data that
So that's a "no" to accepting testimony from victims of sexual abuse who are critical of the JW organisation's handling of abuse?
yet alludes you? I will accept all empirical data.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHave you forgotten those two quotes i found within the time it took me to eat an omellette the other morning?
yes i have never once, no, not once ever heard them either privately state anything
positive nor publicly publish anything positive about Jehovahs witnesses, if you have
knowledge to the contrary then you are free to produce it or the statement stands, they
are biased.