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Originally posted by Proper KnobI have no interest in proffering unsubstantiated opinion. It would be rather hypocritical
Or he does have an opinion but doesn't wish to tell us, for whatever reason, and is simply obfuscating.
of me to demand this from others and not adhere to it myself.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut surely the default setting - in good faith, as it were - is that non-JW Christians around the world, in all their diversity, are assumed to be your brothers in Christ until proved otherwise, right?
I have no interest in proffering unsubstantiated opinion. It would be rather hypocritical of me to demand this from others and not adhere to it myself.
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Originally posted by FMFyes, i dont know if it can, for example, in the Rwandan genocide, which was
Is this because you don't feel "it..." [i.e. whether, according to "what is written", JWs are the only Christians] "...can be established empirically"?
perpetrated by Catholic and Protestant along a tribal basis, clearly there were a few
well documented instances where persons gave up their lives for other persons, despite
what the majority of their affiliated co religionists were doing, were those persons
Christians? They certainly acted in a Christ like way, according to the dictates of their
consciences, yet their religion is filled with pagan elements, further to this, its clear
that Muslims also refused to get involved in fighting, yet it cannot be said they are
Christians, for they do not recognise the propitiatory sacrifice of the Christ. Clearly the
only Christian organisation to the man, who gave up their lives for their fellow co
religionists and who refused to get involved in fighting were Jehovah's Witnesses, a
rather telling occurrence. Indeed one should ask oneself, why was this the case? Is
this empirical evidence of Christ's principle of 'having love among yourselves', I
think it is. How else are we to explain it?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat does what individual people did during the Rwandan genocide have to do with, say, Catholics in Indonesia, or Catholics in general?
yes, i dont know if it can, for example, in the Rwandan genocide, which was
perpetrated by Catholic and Protestant along a tribal basis, clearly there were a few
well documented instances where persons gave up their lives for other persons, despite
what the majority of their affiliated co religionists were doing, were those persons
Christians?
You mention "well documented instances where persons gave up their lives for other persons" in Rwanda. How many of the JW's who died were killed trying to fight off or kill the murderers who were attacking the men women and children who were their neighbours? It's not clear. Is that what you're getting at?
Clearly the only Christian organisation to the man, who gave up their lives for their fellow co religionists and who refused to get involved in fighting were Jehovah's Witnesses, a rather telling occurrence.
I don't understand what you mean by Jehovah's Witnesses "[giving] up their lives for their fellow co religionists". If they refused to fight the murderers when they came [and didn't die in the effort to fight them off or didn't save people from death by dying themselves], how can that be said to be "[giving] up their lives for their fellow co religionists"? The JWs were simply murdered like so many other people were murdered. Were other people who were simply murdered also "[giving] up their lives" for each other and for the JWs who were murdered?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieQuakers are they not pacifists then, I believe during times of war they volunteer as stretcher bearers, thus refusing to fight but putting themselves in harms way for their fellow man.
yes, i dont know if it can, for example, in the Rwandan genocide, which was
perpetrated by Catholic and Protestant along a tribal basis, clearly there were a few
well documented instances where persons gave up their lives for other persons, despite
what the majority of their affiliated co religionists were doing, were those persons
Christians ...[text shortened]... rinciple of 'having love among yourselves', I
think it is. How else are we to explain it?
Originally posted by kevcvs57I was once propositioned in my house to house work by a gay Quaker, big fat guy with
Quakers are they not pacifists then, I believe during times of war they volunteer as stretcher bearers, thus refusing to fight but putting themselves in harms way for their fellow man.
a beard, naturally I declined the offer, he termed me, 'an angel', meaning 'a sent one',
I think he had other plans!
Originally posted by FMFIts rather simple, Christ stated that his true followers would have love among
What does what individual people did during the Rwandan genocide have to do with, say, Catholics in Indonesia, or Catholics in general?
You mention "well documented instances where persons gave up their lives for other persons" in Rwanda. How many of the JW's who died were killed trying to fight off or kill the murderers who were attacking the men women and c ...[text shortened]... also "[giving] up their lives" for each other and for the JWs who were murdered?
themselves, did the Catholics of Rwanda have love among themselves, no, did the
Protestants of Rwanda have love amongst themselves, no, did Jehovah's Witnesses
have love amongst themselves, yes!
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-Removed-I dont think you, that is you personally can be a Christian, it states, 'love among
yourselves', as in the plural, that is more than one person, whereas you are not part of
any organisation or denomination and therefore cannot have 'love amongst yourselves', by virtue of being a loner.
I have provided empirical evidence that appears to me to demonstrate that only
Jehovahs Witnesses have this love among themselves, if you know of any other
organisation to the man that does, then feel free to post your findings and we shall
consider the evidence. Your opinions are not evidence.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWell my first reaction to this persistant wanting a "yes or no" to this question all of you are so obsessed about is, "are you all really this thick minded to not get it in our answers"?
So that's a yes.
But then my second thought is I your'e all just messing with us and trying to make this difficult.
Then my third thought is your powers of reasoning and perception on a spiritual level or just not there.
Then, my final thought is it's just a strong mixture of all the above.
On paper, printed in black and white in every bible in the world, it is clearly explained what a Christian is on "all levels" of their life and what they would be doing with it.
If one is not doing just one thing in the Bible's descriptions of a Christain, then technically they are not a Christian. On paper God has every right to not accept that persons error.
So on paper in the Bible's descriptions of a Christian or a brotherhood of Christians, YES the WTS is the only group or organization that is doing this. Notice I said "organization, not a person."
BUT that is on paper.
We as the subjects of this organization are not the ones to judge anyone on this planet. Jehovah and his son are the judges...period.
They see and read every single persons heart on this planet, including the ones here at RHP.
They decide who is doing the will of God. Because of that, you will never hear from me and probably not Robbie ever get the profound YES or NO that you all are so eagerly wanting.
Why again? Are you all paying attention? We are not a judge of any human on this planet. We have no authority to say who is and isn't approved by God and can be called a true Christian.
So this my finale answer for you dudes and it is not a yes or no.
Take it or leave it and just move on with your life's or seek help if you must to deal with it..
Originally posted by galveston75We'll try this then -
Well my first reaction to this persistant wanting a "yes or no" to this question all of you are so obsessed about is, "are you all really this thick minded to not get it in our answers"?
But then my second thought is I your'e all just messing with us and trying to make this difficult.
Then my third thought is your powers of reasoning and perception o ...[text shortened]... ve it and just move on with your life's or seek help if you must to deal with it..
Do you think JW's are the only people who fit the scriptural requirement to be called Christians?