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Well here we are again; the JW's insist on 'something' (in this case church membership) being essential for being a Chrisitan, but will not respond to questions about whether this church must be the JWs. Want to know why?
Here it is:
If they say "yes, you must be a member of the JW organisation in order to be a genuine Chrisitan", then they know they will be accused of being a cult.
If they say "no, you don't have to be a JW member" then they cease to be God's appointed holders of all truth.
Same old story, same old obfuscation.
15 May 12
Originally posted by galveston75Originally posted by galveston75
Sorry but we are not looking to add some meaning to our lifes. That would be selfish would it not? We are not in this for some supid glory reward....
Originally posted by galveston75
[...] it can also be the most rewarding thing a person can be on many levels. It can also make one feel so blessed to be used by God to help others become familiar with God and his son and what his Kingdom will do for humans in the future.
You contradict yourself.
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Originally posted by Rajk999in other words, no you dont, thankyou, we can chalk this upon the wall of more
The best evidence is first hand experience.
unsubstantiated opinion, outright lies and misleading slanderous statements, along
with,
1. the elders are greedy and corrupt - Manny - evidence nil
2. we tithe ten percent of all income - Suzzianne - evidence nil
3. we brainwash adherents - Rajk - evidence nil
4. we utilise a corrupt bible which leads to erroneous doctrines - Rajk - evidence nil
5. we call on people who do not wish us to call - Rajk - evidence nil
6. we knowingly harbour paedophiles - FabianFnas - evidence nil
7. we are a cult - divejester - evidence nil
and every time an assertion is made against Jehovahs Witnesses without
substantiating evidence i will add it to this list, you have been warned.
15 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFnope, they are not impartial and in many cases have an axe to grind, I will accept
Will you accept any testimony or evidence from ex-JW members?
testimony from independent sources only and only when its backed by empirical data.
After all, when i provide evidence I always try to meet this criteria, when in practice
what we are subjected to is, uncorroborated personal opinion and quotations taken out
of context from articles the poster has not read.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWill you accept testimony from independent sources that haven't had a personal connection with JW that are very critical of the organisation?
nope, they are not impartial and in many cases have an axe to grind, I will accept
testimony from independent sources only.
15 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFI will accept all testimony based upon empirical data, personal testimony cannot be
Will you accept testimony from independent sources that haven't had a personal connection with JW that are very critical of the organisation?
corroborated and is naught but mere opinion and while i recognise this is the currency
of the spiritual buffet kings, it lacks substantiation unless corroborated through reason
and data, gathered through observation.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat "empirical data" would you need to establish that your organisation has many of the characteristics of a cult?
I will accept all testimony based upon empirical data, personal testimony cannot be
corroborated and is naught but mere opinion.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat ex-JW members "have an axe to grind" is surely your opinion. On its own, by your standard, this opinion of yours would seem not to be "testimony from independent source". Can you back your assertion that ex-JW members "are not impartial" with empirical data?
nope, [ex-JW members] are not impartial and in many cases have an axe to grind, I will accept testimony from independent sources only and only when its backed by empirical data.
15 May 12
Originally posted by FMFfirst of all you would need to define what a cult is and then attempt to demonstrate that
What "empirical data" would you need to establish that your organisation has many of the characteristics of a cult?
we unequivocally meet that criteria, for example, you may attempt to state that cults
have a dominant and charismatic personality, as in the Cult of Aum Shinrikyo, Japan,
meet in secret as in the Masonic lodges throughout the earth, have initiation
ceremonies and rituals, encourage adherents to isolate themselves from society, etc
etc
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Originally posted by FMFOne would need to look at every individual case and ascertain why they are no longer
That ex-JW members "have an axe to grind" is surely your opinion. On its own, by your standard, this opinion of yours would seem not to be "testimony from independent source". Can you back your assertion that ex-JW members "are not impartial" with empirical data?
Jehovahs witnesses, also, one could easily determine if they have anything positive to
say about Jehovahs witnesses or if they are biased, to what extent and why, good luck
with that.
15 May 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan you back your opinions and assertions about ex-JW members with empirical data?
One would need to look at every individual case and ascertain why they are no longer
Jehovahs witnesses, also, one could easily determine if they have anything positive to
say about Jehovahs witnesses or if they are biased, to what extent and why, good luck
with that.
15 May 12
Originally posted by FMFyes i have never once, no, not once ever heard them either privately state anything
Can you back your opinions and assertions about ex-JW members with empirical data?
positive nor publicly publish anything positive about Jehovahs witnesses, if you have
knowledge to the contrary then you are free to produce it or the statement stands, they
are biased.
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Originally posted by FMFIt depends, have they taken it upon themselves to review more than one translation
Will you accept testimony and analysis from bible scholars who are critical of the New World Translation of the bible.
and made a comparison with the original Greek and Hebrew texts and published their
analysis so that it may be evaluated, if so, produce their analysis or are we going to be
subject to more mere opinion of the spiritual buffet kings!