Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy?
would you please stick to one topic at a time...
I am responding to this post of yours:
in other words, no you dont, thankyou, we can chalk this upon the wall of more
unsubstantiated opinion, outright lies and misleading slanderous statements, along
with,
1. the elders are greedy and corrupt - Manny - evidence nil
2. we tithe ten percent of all income - Suzzianne - evidence nil
3. we brainwash adherents - Rajk - evidence nil
4. we utilise a corrupt bible which leads to erroneous doctrines - Rajk - evidence nil
5. we call on people who do not wish us to call - Rajk - evidence nil
6. we knowingly harbour paedophiles - FabianFnas - evidence nil
7. we are a cult - divejester - evidence nil
and every time an assertion is made against Jehovahs Witnesses without
substantiating evidence i will add it to this list, you have been warned.
You raised 7 topics. I think I have been responding methodically and clearly. So I ask again, please stop changing your posts after I have already responded to them, if you don't mind. Just a polite request with no rancour.
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Originally posted by Proper Knobno i have forgotten nothing, the same usual disarming techniques of apostates, I have nothing against the elders , i have no axe to grind, but, then comes the hidden agenda. I even had one try to contact me the other day through email, we are thinking about you and we really care for you but. . hidden agenda, neeeeext. Anyway stating that one has no axe to grind is not stating something positive, had they said, 'oh they elders were so kind, i can call on them 24/7 and they will be at my door within half and hour, it was a real pity that i committed adultery and refused to repent despite repeated attempts to help me see the gravity of my error and got myself chucked out', then you may have a point.
Have you forgotten those two quotes i found within the time it took me to eat an omellette the other morning?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo you believe they were lying when they said they have no axe to grind with their former organisation?
no i have forgotten nothing, the same usual disarming techniques of apostates, I have nothing against the elders , i have no axe to grind, but, then comes the hidden agenda. I even had one try to contact me the other day through email, we are thinking about you and we really care for you but. . hidden agenda, neeeeext. Anyway stating that one has n ...[text shortened]... to help me see the gravity of my error and got myself chucked out', then you may have a point.
Originally posted by FMFI have told you, three, perhaps four times i will not accept personal testimony, it cannot
You seem to have misunderstood. My question was what "empirical data" does a victim of sexual abuse create that you will accept?
be independently corroborated and is not objectively representative of the picture as a
whole. In other words, it lacks both perspective and objectivity. empirical evidence
provides a mode of assessment where an evaluation can be made, its just like a
spiritual buffet king to offer opinion to substantiate more opinion, i understand its the
currency you deal in.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo if a child in your organisations tells you that he/she has been abused by someone you'll turn around and say -
I have told you, three, perhaps four times i will not accept personal testimony, it cannot
be independently corroborated and is not objectively representative of the picture as a
whole. In other words, it lacks both perspective and objectivity. empirical evidence
provides a mode of assessment where an evaluation can be made, its just like a ...[text shortened]... king to offer opinion to substantiate more opinion, i understand its the
currency you deal in.
'Sorry, i don't accept personal testimony, if you can get me some empirical data i might be able to do something then'
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Originally posted by Proper Knobno i will say, have you gone to the police, if not, why not.* We are talking within the
So if a child in your organisations tells you that he/she has been abused by someone you'll turn around and say -
'Sorry, i don't accept personal testimony, if you can get me some empirical data i might be able to do something then'
context of arguments on an internet forum which is representative of the whole of
Jehovahs witnesses organisation, not in individual cases. I knew someone would try
this angle, its somewhat obvious, but sadly a fail!
*we do have a publicly available policy in harmony with UK law and the charities
commission, you may make reference to that if you wish.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut you expect people to accept your personal testimony over that of other people. And yet you seem to be admitting that you lack both perspective and objectivity.
I have told you, three, perhaps four times i will not accept personal testimony, it cannot
be independently corroborated and is not objectively representative of the picture as a
whole. In other words, it lacks both perspective and objectivity.
No one is trying to change your mind, robbie. People are trying to discern whether some, all or none of the 'accusations' leveled at your organisation are true.
Your 'I will only accept evidence that is evidence that I accept' isn't really working.
Your 'I must have empirical data' is not an effective rebuttal of what ex-JW members say, and the fact that you clearly have an axe to grind about people who were once members and who have misgivings about the organisation, isn't really working either. Just saying.
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Originally posted by FMFNo i do not, this is the second time you have attempted to make this point, I do, where
But you expect people to accept your personal testimony over that of other people. And yet you seem to be admitting that you lack both perspective and objectivity.
No one is trying to change your mind, robbie. People are trying to discern whether some, all or none of the 'accusations' leveled at your organisation are true.
Your 'I will only accept eviden nd who have misgivings about the organisation, isn't really working either. Just saying.
I can provide empirical data, for example when arguing against the hypocritical stance
of atheists to assume that there have been more religious wars I produced empirical
data to demonstrate it was a nonsense, I have made reference to statistics for child
abuse, offered a comparison with society and other religious organisations, all empirical
data. Your attempt to state that i have valued my own personal testimony over others
is a fail on this basis.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's not a fail, i'm only trying to see where the boundaries lie in this bizarro wacky world you seem to exist in.
no i will say, have you gone to the police, if not, why not.* We are talking within the
context of arguments on an internet forum which is representative of the whole of
Jehovahs witnesses organisation, not in individual cases. I knew someone would try
this angle, its somewhat obvious, but sadly a fail!
*we do have a publicly available pol ...[text shortened]... harmony with UK law and the charities
commission, you may make reference to that if you wish.