Originally posted by dj2beckerYou put your foot in your mouth by claiming that it was justice. The Bible Im pretty sure says no such thing about the death of Christ being justice. But instead of retracting the statement you continue to railroad yourself into a corner.
I asked you a question and you have dodged it again.
Originally posted by dj2beckerSo your contrived scenario/analogy only works if the innocent person being wrongfully executed is 'Christ like'? Are the victim's family "happy" with this outcome in your scenario/analogy?
If they offered their life willingly with no obligation but out of love like Christ did for his church I would be a fool not to.
Originally posted by dj2beckerOriginally posted by dj2becker
If you were facing death row and someone offered to take your punishment and your place at the gallows would you accept it or not?
If they offered their life willingly with no obligation but out of love like Christ did for his church I would be a fool not to.
And you, a murderer, would then walk free. Would that be a case of 'justice is done'?
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Originally posted by Rajk999Tell me Rajk if Jesus did not die on the cross to satisfy God's justice why did he do it?
You put your foot in your mouth by claiming that it was justice. The Bible Im pretty sure says no such thing about the death of Christ being justice. But instead of retracting the statement you continue to railroad yourself into a corner.
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Originally posted by FMFObviously a better scenario would be if everyone was on death row and one man who was blameless offered to take everyone's punishment. The only people who would not be happy would be those who rejected his offer.
So your contrived scenario/analogy only works if the innocent person being wrongfully executed is 'Christ like'? Are the victim's family "happy" with this outcome in your scenario/analogy?
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Originally posted by 667joeWait.....wut?
Are you glad Jesus was crucified,(if so, are you a sadist?), or do you think the crucifixion of Jesus should have been avoided? Couldn't Jesus forgive your sins without being crucified? In other words, was the crucifixion truly necessary?
You have Christian friends? 😲
Actually Jesus just felt like groveling like a servant to a bunch of unworthy sinners and then be tortured and then die on a cross just for kicks.
Just so ya know.
Fun times
Originally posted by FMFA better question might be, why would God want to cause and innocent man to be punished?
Why do you think it's good for people on death row to not be punished?
Isaiah 53
He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
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By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.[b]
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He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
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Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
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After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
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Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
Originally posted by FMFIslam has the only half logical answer, if you can call it that, by saying that God put another poor sap in the place of Jesus to die.
So your ideology is that God had "His only begotten Son" ~ who was innocent ~ executed by humans in order "to satisfy God's justice"?
What does "justice" mean in this bizarre scenario and what does "satisfy" mean?
Where they get this I have no idea, but then, it seems to be the only theology possible to explain why God would allow this to happen.