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I believe the Catholic concept of the Trinity is an application of Orwell's concept "doublethink". What do you think?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungWell, I disagree. Firstly, the Trinity is not exclusively a Catholic concept. I am not sure why this is, perhaps American ignorance, but there are quite a number of Christians churches with equal antiquity to the Catholic Church -- for example, the numerous Orthodox and Oriental churches. Each of these also professes belief in the Trinity.
I believe the Catholic concept of the Trinity is an application of Orwell's concept "doublethink". What do you think?
Originally posted by Conrau KThis one caught my eye immediately...
Well, I disagree. Firstly, the Trinity is not exclusively a Catholic concept. I am not sure why this is, perhaps American ignorance, but there are quite a number of Christians churches with equal antiquity to the Catholic Church -- for example, the numerous Orthodox and Oriental churches. Each of these also professes belief in the Trinity.
Second rately conveys the ideas of Trinitarian metaphysics and it does so quite coherently.
Originally posted by Conrau KOh yeah, you're that really smart intellectual Catholic dude (or former Catholic dude). The intellectual rigor in the Catholic Church is impressive. I go to a Jesuit school and I see it there too.
Well, I disagree. Firstly, the Trinity is not exclusively a Catholic concept. I am not sure why this is, perhaps American ignorance, but there are quite a number of Christians churches with equal antiquity to the Catholic Church -- for example, the numerous Orthodox and Oriental churches. Each of these also professes belief in the Trinity.
Second ...[text shortened]... rately conveys the ideas of Trinitarian metaphysics and it does so quite coherently.
Originally posted by Agergit isn't! The problem here is the word "the" in that it implies (in this setting) the existence of precisely one postmaster If Jim is not Sarah then only one can be [b]the postmaster. Replace "the" with "a" and you're safe again, however the downside would be the analogy no longer applies.[/b]
This one caught my eye immediately...
[b]It is possible to say "Jim is the post-master' and 'Sarah is the post-master' but 'Jim and Sarah are not the same person'
it isn't! The problem here is the word "the" in that it implies (in this setting) the existence of precisely one postmaster If Jim is not Sarah then only one can be the postmaster. Repla ...[text shortened]... correct to say A_i = A which seems to be the case when dealing with the trinity.[/b]
Originally posted by Conrau Khttp://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_04.htm
[b]it isn't! The problem here is the word "the" in that it implies (in this setting) the existence of precisely one postmaster If Jim is not Sarah then only one can be [b]the postmaster. Replace "the" with "a" and you're safe again, however the downside would be the analogy no longer applies.[/b]
But that is the very point of my analogy. The predicat ...[text shortened]... ect to person. We avoid logical problem by limiting the predicate 'is God'.[/b]
Originally posted by galveston75An interesting point about this if you do take the time to read it, is if the Trinity were a Bible truth, why did it take so long to establish centuries later?
http://www.watchtower.org/e/ti/article_04.htm
An interesting point about this if you do take the time to read it, is if the Trinity were a Bible truth, why did it take so long to establish centuries later?
If it was a truth then it should have been obvious and simple to explain and learn.
If this trinity were a bible truth and something that Jes ...[text shortened]... esus?
I'm sure you won't answer these but it may give others something to think about...
Originally posted by Conrau KNot a bit as my memoery is fine. Maybe it's just that your answers aren't good enough. The trinity is not in the Bible in any form and no matter what you think it's a contradiction to the Bible. Jesus said among many other things concerning his Father is that "his Father is greater then him". How do trinitarians not get that? But I guess they are so steeped in traditions it can't be seen.
[b]An interesting point about this if you do take the time to read it, is if the Trinity were a Bible truth, why did it take so long to establish centuries later?
I have already addresed this point several times. In fact, I did so in our last exchange. You simply do not understand how Catholics and Orthodox Christians perceive and interpret their do ...[text shortened]... 't see why you need to revisit these points constantly. Do you suffer memory loss or something?[/b]
Originally posted by Conrau KOh, stop trying so hard. You are defending an illogical triviality that is predicated on an obvious fallacy. Why don't you spend your time thinking about the real world instead of arguing distinctions in this religious hocus-pocus?
[b]it isn't! The problem here is the word "the" in that it implies (in this setting) the existence of precisely one postmaster If Jim is not Sarah then only one can be [b]the postmaster. Replace "the" with "a" and you're safe again, however the downside would be the analogy no longer applies.[/b]
But that is the very point of my analogy. The predicat ...[text shortened]... ect to person. We avoid logical problem by limiting the predicate 'is God'.[/b]
Originally posted by PalynkaA=D, B=D, C=D
I think you first need to show why the Trinity entails multiple contradictory beliefs.
Originally posted by UzumakiAiWell put! If Jesus is God, who raised Him? If God raised Himself then He was never really dead. The trinity is illogical and not biblical. The trinity evolved around the 4th century, and is mired in Greek Mythology. God is the Creator and the Father. Jesus is His Son, whom btw was created in Mary by God who is Holy and is Spirit. Jesus is also called the 2nd Adam. He was made like the 1st Adam in the sense that He did not have a sinful nature. The first Adam sinned and failed, the 2nd Adam did not, and succeeded in being the perfect sacrifice to redeem man.
A=D, B=D, C=D
A =/= B =/= C
D =/= D
Thus, D does not exist. If D is God, you should probably abandon that whole trinity thing. Just stick with D=D, or at least A=B=C. They cannot be separate entities and the same thing simultaneously.
If you say that one is on a different domain, that doesn't resolve the contradiction. If I am a biologist in t ...[text shortened]...
Face it, Catholicism and associated trinity-based Christian denominations are tritheistic.