Originally posted by @rajk999 Leaving them dead is an option. They perish. Your doctrine that the soul cannot die is false.
Atheist don't have an answer except ones that come up inside their own heads, you have
made the claim you follow Jesus so I assume you have some scriptural backing, if not
are you just making up your stance as well?
Originally posted by @suzianne The Bible says that they are raised to Judgement. But yes, they perish. I've never heard a Christian say that the soul cannot die. Everyone knows about Matthew 10:28.
Can destroy and will are not the same thing. There are several verses that discuss the
length of time what happens will happen in eternality. I'd also point out scripturally speaking
we are body, soul, and spirit there is more to us than body and soul.
Originally posted by @kellyjay I just told you, did you read it?
I did, but don't think it addresses the point I raised.
Just taking Amos 7:3 we read: 'The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.'
Now, this is not some third party speculating that God can sometimes change his mind. This is from a divinely inspired book. This is God telling you Himself that He is capable of change.
Originally posted by @dj2becker No, I was simply pointing out that punishing your children doesn’t mean that you don’t love them unconditionally. I said nothing about eternal torture.
So what was the insight then; I suggest you make it as interesting as you can as I bored with you. Plus I don't like or respect you. At all.
Originally posted by @divegeester So what was the insight then; I suggest you make it as interesting as you can as I bored with you. Plus I don't like or respect you. At all.
Feel free to talk to other people, I’m done talking to you.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke I did, but don't think it addresses the point I raised.
Just taking Amos 7:3 we read: 'The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.'
Now, this is not some third party speculating that God can sometimes change his mind. This is from a divinely inspired book. This is God telling you Himself that He is capable of change.
So you are suggesting God becomes a different God by changing His mind on topics where we are told He might change His mind?
Originally posted by @kellyjay So you are suggesting God becomes a different God by changing His mind on topics where we are told He might change His mind?
No. I make 2 very clear observations:
1. God changes His mind a number of times in the Bible. - Indisputable.
2. The God presented in the OT has character traits not present in the NT. = Indisputable.
Originally posted by @divegeester You parents , do you love your children unconditionally?
Suzianne used this phrase with reference to God’s love in a thread tonight and it really struck a chord with me so I want to ask contributors what they think God’s “unconditional love” is and what is means in terms of forgiveness and punishment, and yes especially eternal suffering - being bur ...[text shortened]... t that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Isn't real love unconditional ? Everyone should love the people in their lives appropriately. A son should be loved like a son, a wife as a wife,etc. But we must be aware of just loving everyone in the world unconditionally. Love should be guided by intelligence or else it can be wasted
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke No. I make 2 very clear observations:
1. God changes His mind a number of times in the Bible. - Indisputable.
2. The God presented in the OT has character traits not present in the NT. = Indisputable.
What traits are you referring to please be specific that God in the OT and NT do not share.
Originally posted by @kellyjay Rules can change that doesn’t mean God has changed, the covenants between God and man can change that doesn’t mean God has changed, our standing before God can change that doesn’t mean God has changed.
God is the same and doesn’t change, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever!
If your god changes why would you trust it, since it is fickle and unreliable? What it may like today it could hate tomorrow!
Not true. The spirit is alive, it is in constant flux, always evolving. There are infinite ways that the Lord manifests His will. He encompasses every aspect of the human condition. Jesus Christ is still learning (and hence changing) , as is everyone else.
Originally posted by @dj2becker If your house was burning down you wouldn’t ‘force’ the kids you love to leave with you?
As I inferred earlier, children should be loved appropriately. Children should obey their parents , just as their parents should know that only wise words will be obeyed at all times. Your exemple should have a stranger saving the child, So: a child should think and act for themselves but obey their parents. Grown ups shouldn't take orders from anyone.
31 Jul '18 09:42
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