Originally posted by Rajk999I know you would cut to the chase with the JW's but hang in there 🙂 Just remember God actually loves them too. We are all like sheep. I know at times it's like banging your head against a brick wall. G75 & R.C. aren't that bad though maybe I'm getting to soft LOL 🙂
Im around .. playing chess mostly. Im just not posting to Spirituality like before. I just cant stand the stupidity that the JWs in particular post around here.
Like Robbie is claiming that Adam and Eve were vegetarians becuase God said ' eat your vegetables" .. 🙂. But the emptyheaded JW conveniently forgets that Adam and Eve did not always obey God. I ...[text shortened]... at Adam and Eve followed such a command. Im pretty sure you can see the logic in that .... 🙂
Manny
Originally posted by menace71you said it man!
I know you would cut to the chase with the JW's but hang in there 🙂 Just remember God actually loves them too. We are all like sheep. I know at times it's like banging your head against a brick wall. G75 & R.C. aren't that bad though maybe I'm getting to soft LOL 🙂
Manny
I've heard nothing but consistently interesting and questioning posts from raj.
Despite his 'profanities' or whatever he got banned for ,I don't think it was justified. However I don't know the exact post he got banned for...
Originally posted by menace71Ok .. but God loves, and Christ died, for Hindus and Muslims etc, also.
I know you would cut to the chase with the JW's but hang in there 🙂 Just remember God actually loves them too. We are all like sheep. I know at times it's like banging your head against a brick wall. G75 & R.C. aren't that bad though maybe I'm getting to soft LOL 🙂
Manny
Unfortunately JWs dont believe that any of the modern day religions/groups except for the followers of the JW religion, will get into the kindgom.
Originally posted by karoly aczelProtien and iron I think are the most difficult nutrients to keep up when becoming vegetarian. There are many ways to do this.
Agreed!One does not have to be vegetarian, not even vegan to accord animals moral considerations. (Nice to hear from you🙂 ).
Protien and iron I think are the most difficult nutrients to keep up when becoming vegetarian. There are many ways to do this.
(I believe there are areas in the body that can make any nutrient out of any ingredient. Spiritual thing...can't explain it)
Nuts, lentils, pulses, milk and eggs are all excellent sources of protein. If you're vegan skip the last two.
Originally posted by karoly aczelFor me the main pro is that cooking a nice meal with meat is so much easier. So far that pro has outweighed the cons to such an extent that as far as I can recall I have not cooked purely vegetarian meal for quite some time. It is possible though that in rare cases I have had a vegetarian meal when it was bought from a shop - eg vegetarian Pizza. The only non-meat meal I can remember cooking in the last few years was macaroni and cheese - but that contains cheese and is not particularly healthy on its own. Oh and I do have some meals with eggs but no meat.
Think about all the counter arguements of vegetarianism. Eating vegetables instead of meat makes more sense on almost every level and I challenge anyone to show me that the 'pros' would outweigh the 'cons' for being a meat-eater.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI did start this thread saying I'm not here to preach or to convert...
For me the main pro is that cooking a nice meal with meat is so much easier. So far that pro has outweighed the cons to such an extent that as far as I can recall I have not cooked purely vegetarian meal for quite some time. It is possible though that in rare cases I have had a vegetarian meal when it was bought from a shop - eg vegetarian Pizza. The only ...[text shortened]... e and is not particularly healthy on its own. Oh and I do have some meals with eggs but no meat.
I guess when I asked that 'pro or con' question, I should have qualified it a bit more by maybe saying something like-"vegetarian diets are much less destructive on nature in general-if you look at the big picture."
I aslo mentioned that you vote in these issues with your wallet and the more organic meat you buy the better quality of life for animals that die to be our food and I can sleep a little better at night. Everybody's happy-except the exploitative,non-caring, capitalist , animal slaver-torturer-murderers.
I'm not a huge activist in these areas but I'm convinced,(mainly by my own concience), that this is a very basic issue of the logical extension of human rights. Animals want to be free as do all beings
Originally posted by Proper KnobThe iron needs to be taken from mainly dark,green , leafy vegetables.
[b]Protien and iron I think are the most difficult nutrients to keep up when becoming vegetarian. There are many ways to do this.
Nuts, lentils, pulses, milk and eggs are all excellent sources of protein. If you're vegan skip the last two.[/b]
Originally posted by vistesdI don’t think that one has to be a vegetarian to accord animals moral consideration.
[b]Eating vegetables instead of meat makes more sense on almost every level and I challenge anyone to show me that the 'pros' would outweigh the 'cons' for being a meat-eater.
Depending in part on whether you’re a vegan (as opposed to an octo-lavo) vegetarian, both protein and certain micronutrients that are more readily available in meat. One could ...[text shortened]... vores. I don’t think that one has to be a vegetarian to accord animals moral consideration.[/b]
I haven't read through this thread, but it seems that taking the life of a sentient being (non-human or human) entails a lack of moral consideration.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadWas this supposed to be an argument where "the 'pros' would outweigh the 'cons' for being a meat-eater"? If it was, it seems pretty weak. I mean someone could use a similar argument for killing and eating humans if they thought it "easier" than getting/preparing food from other sources. Plus preparing vegetarian meals is pretty darn easy. Seems like it's easier than preparing meat in almost all cases.
For me the main pro is that cooking a nice meal with meat is so much easier. So far that pro has outweighed the cons to such an extent that as far as I can recall I have not cooked purely vegetarian meal for quite some time. It is possible though that in rare cases I have had a vegetarian meal when it was bought from a shop - eg vegetarian Pizza. The only ...[text shortened]... e and is not particularly healthy on its own. Oh and I do have some meals with eggs but no meat.
Originally posted by karoly aczelMy sister is a farmer and they keep layer chickens in tiny little cages 3 to a cage. Yes it is cruel and exploitative, but so is all meat farming I suppose. I wouldn't call them non-caring.
Everybody's happy-except the exploitative,non-caring, capitalist , animal slaver-torturer-murderers.
You use 'capitalist' like its an insult, yet most of the world seems to preach it like its the hight of civilization. Whats worse it that it is not necessarily true as all people living in a capitalist country must live like capitalists but does that earn them the label 'capitalist'?
As for the general arguments in this thread for vegetarianism, I am generally in agreement and would certainly cut down my meat consumption if I could afford the extra cost in money and time.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNo it wasn't an argument, it was a statement of fact. I currently find it much easier to cook meals that include meat. If you have some recipes for vegetarian meals that are fairly easy to prepare and that a 12 year old will eat without too much trouble, then I would welcome them.
Was this supposed to be an argument where "the 'pros' would outweigh the 'cons' for being a meat-eater"? If it was, it seems pretty weak. I mean someone could use a similar argument for killing and eating humans if they thought it "easier" than getting/preparing food from other sources. Plus preparing vegetarian meals is pretty darn easy. Seems like it's easier than preparing meat in almost all cases.
Originally posted by twhiteheadCapitalism is capitalism.
My sister is a farmer and they keep layer chickens in tiny little cages 3 to a cage. Yes it is cruel and exploitative, but so is all meat farming I suppose. I wouldn't call them non-caring.
You use 'capitalist' like its an insult, yet most of the world seems to preach it like its the hight of civilization. Whats worse it that it is not necessarily true a ...[text shortened]... certainly cut down my meat consumption if I could afford the extra cost in money and time.
And , yeah, I hear ya- its often cheaper and easier to buy and/or consume meat. At least where I am it is. Vegetarian 'alternatives' are expensive and difficult to come by.
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Originally posted by Rajk999If one feels it is morally wrong to kill a sentient being (ie intelligent animal), one must then deal with the dilemma of carnivores requiring meat to survive. Should we consider eliminating all carnivores for the greater good? We could even do it humanly via a sterilization program, but then if you think about it, sterilizing a lion will still result in it killing for the rest of its life so surely it makes more sense from a moral standpoint to kill the lion now.
What moral standards (apart from your own maybe) state that animals should not be eaten?