Originally posted by C Hess Uuh, yeah, I don't think I've ever heard it described this way. So, there's no hell, jesus is not
god (basically trinity is a bust), adam and eve perfectly understood what would be the
consequences of their action (or they really can't be held accountable for the fall), you will
not spend eternity in some other realm with god, but as an immortal here on ...[text shortened]... the bible: adam and eve knew what they were doing, no hell, no trinity, no
afterlife paradise?
That is probably what Satan told Eve through the serpent. It just was not recorded exactly like that.
Originally posted by RJHinds That is probably what Satan told Eve through the serpent. It just was not recorded exactly like that.
Tell me this: Why, when the bible was first written, it was because of dictation from your god. So why don't we get these kind of fundamental tid bits now? All we see after that is your jealous god killing all kinds of people and all the land animals on Earth and such but no fundamental stuff like how the universe started or what is quantum mechanics all about or how can we combine relativity with quantum mechanics. Why don't we get THAT kind of word from your so-called god?
If god created adam and eve, gave them free will (knowing full well that free will entails the
possibility of disobedience), and decided that disobedience is a horrible thing to be
punished, calling it sin, then he did in fact create the concept of sin, and the sinful nature
of mankind to go with it. If your god exists, and you represented him ...[text shortened]... less trite, with
glimpses of joy sprinkled on top.
I don't see how you can get around that.
That is because you only read about the beginning, as you have pointed out. Only a numbnuts judges a book by the cover.
Originally posted by sonhouse Tell me this: Why, when the bible was first written, it was because of dictation from your god. So why don't we get these kind of fundamental tid bits now? All we see after that is your jealous god killing all kinds of people and all the land animals on Earth and such but no fundamental stuff like how the universe started or what is quantum mechanics all ab ...[text shortened]... e relativity with quantum mechanics. Why don't we get THAT kind of word from your so-called god?
Because it would make a mockery of faith and free will. There would be no reason for faith if we are just given a cheat sheet. We're here to learn the right answers, we're not here just to make sure we just tick off the right boxes on the survey. We have to do our own work.
Originally posted by C Hess To sin is to disobey god's will, right? This god of yours created the first humans with free
will, but failed to give them the wisdom to refuse satan's lure. I'd say god created sin.
Technically, i can agree with you. God created man, man sinned, God created sin.
The strange thing about God's creation is the fact He gave it a free will. The ability to choose its own destiny. An example of this strangeness of God's thinking is in the scripture. Jesus talking to Peter about His church. "what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and what you loose on earth will be loose in heaven."
Strange words if you consider Jesus as God. Basically what He is doing would be 'like the jailer giving the keys to the prisoners' . Or the Creator allowing the createe to make the rules.
Originally posted by sonhouse Tell me this: Why, when the bible was first written, it was because of dictation from your god. So why don't we get these kind of fundamental tid bits now? All we see after that is your jealous god killing all kinds of people and all the land animals on Earth and such but no fundamental stuff like how the universe started or what is quantum mechanics all ab ...[text shortened]... e relativity with quantum mechanics. Why don't we get THAT kind of word from your so-called god?
It is not good for the wicked heart of man to be given all such knowledge.
23 Apr '14 19:16
What christianity boils down to
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