Originally posted by JS357
That's fine, I'm just trying to advance the conversation. I would note that killing was not Hitler's only objective, in fact it would more likely be to kill some millions of undesirables and bring the others, many many millions more, productively under the control of his ideology. This fact doesn't diminish what you said. There are people who feel that this ou It may be that people who are members of a particular religion may have reason to think so.
No the comparison does not represent a threat.
Stating that a god/set of beliefs/ect are bad doesn't say anything about what to do about it.
In the same way that improving humanities health and prosperity by improving the gene pool is
a good idea, doing it by the methods espoused and enacted by the Nazis and other 'eugenicists'
of the 20th century is a really really bad idea.
If you and your partner are carriers of a genetic disease (on a recessive gene say) and you have
children by invetro-fertilisation and specifically choose an egg/sperm that don't have the bad genes
to make sure that neither they, nor their children, develop the disease you are engaging in eugenics.
And we applaud this.
If you go around deciding people have some defect that makes them unsuitable to reproduce and
forcefully sterilise them you are also engaging in eugenics but you are doing something evil and should
be stopped and locked in prison.
Eugenics is not necessarily good or bad, it depends on HOW and WHY you do it and advocate doing it
Thus in the same way that you can't jump from someone advocating eugenics as a remedy for various
ills we have as a society to the methods they intend to employ, you can't jump from claims that the bible
god is evil to how someone thinks bible god's followers should be dealt with.
I hold that all
faith* based beliefs are morally wrong and dangerous and that the bible god as described
is a despicable monster.
However that doesn't in any way mean that I am threatening those who believe in or worship the bible god.
Although I may very well be offending them. Free speech and free societies must be able to allow and tolerate
offence. The ability to offend is a right that must be firmly held onto and defended. Threatening however is a
different matter.
This is because I absolutely do not hold with or advocate for violence against believers for believing or as
a mechanism of trying to stop them believing.
Both because this is morally wrong and also because it simply doesn't work.
I advocate (and practice) debating and discussing the issues and promoting reasoning and rationality as an
antidote to faith based beliefs.
Threatening comes not from criticizing a belief but in what you advocate doing to/with those who hold it.
There is also a massive distinction to be drawn between attacking a belief and attacking the believer.
Dasa advocates hatred of and violence to those who disagree with him, specifically but not exclusively those
who follow Islam.
THAT is what consistently earns him forum bans and deleted threads/posts. (I am assuming as I can't read the
moderators minds)
Free speech is not threatened by coming down heavily on hate speech.
*Faith used here to mean a "firm conviction of the truth of a statement held without evidence and/or despite any
and all evidence that contradicts it"
EDIT: I know there are other meanings of the word faith which is why I gave the meaning I was using in this post.
My argument doesn't necessarily apply to other meanings of the word which is why I made the distinction.