@fmf saidSpreading the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is probably the most obvious example someone is a Christian *particularly when they do it for no money.*
In real and practical terms, what "fruits" - in terms of demeanour and behaviour - do you think are evidence that a person's claim to be a Christian is true?
@mchill saidYour post seems to be based on a false church doctrine that Christians are forgiven. ... 'forgiven for all sins''. If that is your doctrine then that is not in the bible.
How can he (or she) claim to be a Christian and do _______!!😠I've been hearing this from the non-believer crowd for decades.
Folks, just because someone accepts Jesus Christ as their savior, and does their best to follow God's law, does not automatically elevate them to some higher moral level. They may be more aware of God's law, and may be improving their behavior as a ...[text shortened]... them, but this needs to be stated over and over:
Christians Are Not Perfect, Just Forgiven! 🙂
If it is then please quote the reference.
@pb1022 saidWhat about non-Christians donating substantial sums to charity? What about Christians donating very little to no money to charity?
But if you want “real and practical evidence” how about someone who, prior to becoming a Christian, donated very little to no money to charity but, after becoming a Christian, donates substantial sums to charity?
@pb1022 saidCopy-pasting quotations from scripture onto a message board, for example, is evidence that someone has been supernaturally transformed by "The Holy Spirit"?
Spreading the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is probably the most obvious example someone is a Christian *particularly when they do it for no money.*
@rajk999 said“Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
Your post seems to be based on a false church doctrine that Christians are forgiven. ... 'forgiven for all sins''. If that is your doctrine then that is not in the bible.
If it is then please quote the reference.
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.”
(Mark 3:28-30)
“And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
(Colossians 2:13)
@pb1022 saidNo, I don't think so, but one can certainly evaluate how strong the influence of "The Holy Spirit" supposedly is.
You think someone’s entire life should be judged based on how and what they post here?
In your case, the temptations of online disinhibition seem to overwhelm whatever influence you claim "The Holy Spirit" has over you.
This, to me, is evidence regarding the weakness of the alleged effect of this "Holy Spirit" you think exists.
@fmf saidWell, if you looked at my example more carefully, you would have seen that I was talking about someone who *prior to becoming a Christian* had donated very little or no money to charity and *after becoming a Christian* donates substantial sums to charity.
What about non-Christians donating substantial sums to charity? What about Christians donating very little to no money to charity?
I don’t think you can just look at a Christian in his or her present-day state and make a snap judgment.
You have to know what they were like before they became a Christian and what they’ve overcome in their walk with Jesus Christ.
@fmf saidYour entire life may be devoted to posting and arguing on this website, but mine isn’t, nor do I think most people’s lives are.
No, I don't think so, but one can certainly evaluate how strong the influence of "The Holy Spirit" supposedly is.
In your case, the temptations of online disinhibition seem to overwhelm whatever influence you claim "The Holy Spirit" has over you.
This, to me, is evidence regarding the weakness of the alleged effect of this "Holy Spirit" you think exists.
And I frankly couldn’t care less what you think of me.
@pb1022 saidThis is a very weak piece of evidence. Does it happen to all Christians?
Well, if you looked at my example more carefully, you would have seen that I was talking about someone who *prior to becoming a Christian* had donated very little or no money to charity and *after becoming a Christian* donates substantial sums to charity.
@fmf saidCould be.
Copy-pasting quotations from scripture onto a message board, for example, is evidence that someone has been supernaturally transformed by "The Holy Spirit"?
Copy-and-pasting Scripture on a website is one way some people share the Gospel, and, if it sparks an interest in an agnostic or atheist to read the New Testament and learn more about Christianity, that person who copy-and-pasted Scripture, along with God of course, may well have saved a soul and altered an individual’s eternal destiny.
@pb1022 saidAnd yet, despite your - for all intents and purposes - self-aggrandizing claims about your own immortality and supernatural transformation made here on this website - online disinhibition syndrome has a stronger effect on you than "God's Holy Spirit", day in day out, not by accident.
Your entire life may be devoted to posting and arguing on this website, but mine isn’t, nor do I think most people’s lives are.
@pb1022 saidYou could just as easily be someone posing as a Christian and intent on bringing the religion into disrepute.
Copy-and-pasting Scripture on a website is one way some people share the Gospel, and, if it sparks an interest in an agnostic or atheist to read the New Testament and learn more about Christianity, that person who copy-and-pasted Scripture, along with God of course, may well have saved a soul and altered an individual’s eternal destiny.