12 Feb 22
@fmf saidGood post, fmf. I made a decision to adopt two girls from a slum in Haiti after reading a statistic in a news paper. So there you are, sometimes a totally mundane number spurs someone into action. And no, I don’t think that was my ticket to heaven; it was just the decent thing to do and I had the resources and opportunity to do it.
There are people who might start donating their time to directly help the needy and poor after watching a TV documentary or after walking through a slum in Jakarta.
Or because their non-Christian religious leaders urge them to or their family and neighbours do it.
But, by golly, when it happens in a "Christian" it's down to a supernatural transformation instigated by "the indwelling Holy Spirit" is it?
12 Feb 22
@mchill saidI’ve been accused of manner of horrible things by supposed Christians in this forum, here’s a few examples of the abuse dished out get by the spiritual riffraff in this place if you question their crappy beliefs:
How can he (or she) claim to be a Christian and do _______!!😠 I've been hearing this from the non-believer crowd for decades.
Folks, just because someone accepts Jesus Christ as their savior, and does their best to follow God's law, does not automatically elevate them to some higher moral level. They may be more aware of God's law, and may be improving their behavior as a ...[text shortened]... them, but this needs to be stated over and over:
Christians Are Not Perfect, Just Forgiven! 🙂
Son of Satan (robbie carrobie)
Worse than Satan (Galveston75) (my personal favourite)
Diabolical (Startreader)
Morals of a lynch mob murderer (robbie carrobie)
Heretic (sonship)
Liar (Startreader)
Mocker (KellyJay)
Fool (KellyJay)
Evil (Startreader)
Criminalising people (Suzianne)
Character assassinator (Suzianne)
Systematic torturer (Startreader)
Actual sadist (Startreader) (my second favourite)
Enemy of God (Josephw / SecondSon)
Christian basher (Josephw)
Underminer of other people's faith (Lemon Lime)
Monster (Lemon Lime)
Narcissist (Lemon Lime)
Deserving of burning in hell for eternity (RJHinds) (my third favourite, he fired it at me because I refused to believe in burning in hell.)
Blinded with pride. (Sonship)
Understanding nothing. (Galveston75)
Diseased with questionings (sonship)
Career opposer of servants of God (sonship)
Corrupted in mind (Grampy Bobby)
12 Feb 22
@divegeester saidWell, that's quite a roll call.
I’ve been accused of manner of horrible things by supposed Christians in this forum, here’s a few examples of the abuse dished out get by the spiritual riffraff in this place if you question their crappy beliefs:
Son of Satan (robbie carrobie)
Worse than Satan (Galveston75) (my personal favourite)
Diabolical (Startreader)
Morals of a lynch mob murderer (robbie ca ...[text shortened]... uestionings (sonship)
Career opposer of servants of God (sonship)
Corrupted in mind (Grampy Bobby)
I believe I may have accused you of groping for fish in strange brooks.
Or was it Ghost whom I accused of that?
12 Feb 22
@moonbus saidI have it in an email I sent to another member a few years ago.
Well, that's quite a roll call.
I believe I may have accused you of groping for fish in strange brooks.
Or was it Ghost whom I accused of that?
I have no records of you accusing me of anything I’m afraid.
12 Feb 22
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@fmf saidI don't worry about the difference; if they are Christians, they have God within them, and through thick and thin, they will desire to remain faithful to Him. If they are not true Christians, they could do all the religious things just like the Pharisees and Scribes did, and turn right around and crucify others, throw them in prison, plot against others, lie, cheat, and steal because they answer no one. Others may start, and the sorrows and joys of this life choke the life out of them, and they walk away. My job is to love them no matter what and share the truth, for Jesus' sake, not theirs.
You must have met many self-identifying Christians who seemed to you not be Christians at all. How do you tell the difference?
If you are trying to find what makes one different than the other, the answer isn't us; it's Jesus Christ.
@kellyjay saidThis claim by you is not supported in scripture, neither specifically, nor anecdotally.
I don't worry about the difference; if they are Christians, they have God within them, and through thick and thin, they will desire to remain faithful to Him.
We are advised in scripture that the ONLY way to tell them is by them bearing the fruit of the spirit. That’s the only definition given.
In anecdotal evidence to demonstrate your claim being incorrect I offer you Peter who denied Christ THREE times when going through “thick and thin” (as you put it) and yet Christ called his faith a rock.
12 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidThat is pure church nonsense. The bible says all who do righteousness have God within them..
I don't worry about the difference; if they are Christians, they have God within them, and through thick and thin, they will desire to remain faithful to Him. If they are not true Christians, they could do all the religious things just like the Pharisees and Scribes did, and turn right around and crucify others, throw them in prison, plot against others, lie, cheat, and stea ...[text shortened]... are trying to find what makes one different than the other, the answer isn't us; it's Jesus Christ.
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12 Feb 22
@divegeester saidPeter didn’t have God’s Holy Spirit indwelling him. And Peter, at the time he denied Jesus Christ, wasn’t even a Christian (yet.)
This claim by you is not supported in scripture, neither specifically, nor anecdotally.
We are advised in scripture that the ONLY way to tell them is by them bearing the fruit of the spirit. That’s the only definition given.
In anecdotal evidence to demonstrate your claim being incorrect I offer you Peter who denied Christ THREE times when going through “thick and thin” (as you put it) and yet Christ called his faith a rock.
And Romans 8:16 provides (imo) the clearest way for a Christian to know if he or she is saved.
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
12 Feb 22
@pb1022 saidHave you any evidence to support this claim?
Peter didn’t have God’s Holy Spirit indwelling him. And Peter, at the time he denied Jesus Christ, wasn’t even a Christian (yet.)
I’ve already debunked your claim that the Old Testament prophets didn’t have the spirit of Christ in them.
12 Feb 22
@divegeester saidI must have done at some point. Well then, I suppose I could accuse you of sloppy record keeping. Would that qualify me to enter your roll of shame-faced accusers?
I have it in an email I sent to another member a few years ago.
I have no records of you accusing me of anything I’m afraid.
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12 Feb 22
@divegeester saidThey didn’t have the Holy Spirit of God in them permanently.
Have you any evidence to support this claim?
I’ve already debunked your claim that the Old Testament prophets didn’t have the spirit of Christ in them.
Jesus Christ, after His Resurrection, told His disciples to wait until God’s Holy Spirit endued them with power from on high.
“And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
(Luke 24:49)
And here is the fulfillment:
“And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”
(Acts 2:1-4)
That doesn’t sound like Jesus Christ’s disciples had God’s Holy Spirit within them when Peter denied knowing Jesus Christ before His crucifixion.