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Originally posted by @divegeesterI suppose. No matter who they are, what they believe or what they teach is really up to Jehovah whether they are doing his will and doing it correctly isn't it? We don't read hearts but we can pretty much tell by their "fruits" if they truly support the bible. Just as I can tell by the fruits that many expose or express about themselves here.
Is it possible for a Christian to “support the bible in its every word” and for them to decide to not be an official member of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation?
Originally posted by @galveston75The magazine of the non-stock, not-for-profit corporation that you are a member of - Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania - claims that only members of your organization will survive the "great tribulation".
I suppose. No matter who they are, what they believe or what they teach is really up to Jehovah whether they are doing his will and doing it correctly isn't it? We don't read hearts but we can pretty much tell by their "fruits" if they truly support the bible. Just as I can tell by the fruits that many expose or express about themselves here.
Originally posted by @galveston75We had a big discussion about it a couple of years ago. You challenged me to find a quote from The Watchtower. I did. You blanked it out and disappeared for a few weeks.
Read the link I posted on that.....
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Originally posted by @divegeesterWould it still be odd if I used British English instead ?
Your choice of the term “skeptic” is interesting.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHow do you personally decide what is true and what isn’t?
A 'true' alternative would of course be preferable.
If we are allowed to just make stuff up, to replicate the Christian worldview, then it wouldn't be too difficult to spin a superior fable.
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Originally posted by @rajk999If there hope for those who trust only in their own good works and have no faith?
There is no hope for those Christians [and there are many] who simply profess their faith and do no good works. Those who have hope are those who live according to the commandments of Christ.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI share many of the same sentiments that you do. I am about 10 years behind you in my journey, I left organised religion about 10 years ago. For what it’s worth, I don’t think you are a son of Satan.
An interesting observation and which I think is true of all religious people to some extent. Take myself for example; I tell this forum on a regular basis that I am a sincere Christian and yet the Christians here either don’t believe me or call me a son of Satan.
And why? Because I refuse to succumb to tidal wave of psychological bullying that accom ...[text shortened]... pily bow the knee to him, but I’m not bending over to religion ever again.
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Originally posted by @rajk999Truth is what i am after and not destructive ridicule or even argument "winning" for its own egotistical sake.
Q : Where in the Bible did it say that Jesus practiced dusting off his feet when people did not listen to Him ?
A : NOWHERE
This is why I dont listen to your types. You dont know the Bible.
Have you yet answered me on your own "proof text" that Jesus only reigns for 1,000 years before God takes over?
"And whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there will be no rain." (Zechariah 14:17)
1.) Either Rajk999 or Galveston can answer.
2.) I will accept as a respectable answer "I cannot yet answer that at this time."
Zechariah 14:17 must evidence that God is Father and Son.
FMF: "Hope" for what?So you would feel a lack of hope without your religious beliefs. Why do you think this is something that people who don't have your religious beliefs are required to address?
Originally posted by @dj2becker
A better future for one.
Originally posted by @sonshipI have already answered that. Here is my original reply. My opinion on what Paul means here has not changed.
Truth is what i am after and not destructive ridicule or even argument "winning" for its own egotistical sake.
Have you yet answered me on your own "proof text" that Jesus only reigns for 1,000 years before God takes over?
[quote] [b] "And whichever of the families of the earth does not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon t ...[text shortened]... answer that at this time."
[b]Zechariah 14:17 must evidence that God is Father and Son.[/b]
Christ will reign until he has put all enemies under his feet.
This one little sentence in the Bible tells several things:
1. During the entire reign of Christ, he will have opposition and enemies
2. Christ reign is not permanent
3. Christ has a specific job and it is not to make the world blessed for everyone, but to put down all sin and evil.
4. He will only put down all his enemies at the end of the millennial reign, after which time he hands over the Kingdom to God
Maybe you can ask others in this forum what is their interpretation of this passage by Paul. The language is simple and straightforward. I cannot explain it further.
It is obvious to me that this matter is bothering you for you to raise it in another unrelated thread. This is not the first time you have done this. Several of your core doctrines are in error and is based on the flawed interpretation of one man. Maybe it is time for you to ask God to help you to see that light that comes from truly believing in Christ with your heart and not just with your mouth as you constantly preach.
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Originally posted by @rajk999If the Son has a throne "forever and ever" (Heb. 1:8) YET His reign is only temporary THEN it follows that you could also say that Jehovah is King "forever and ever" (Psalm 10:16) but His reign is only temporary as well.
2. Christ reign is not permanent
With the same amount of logic one's reign is temporary as the other's reign is temporary though concerning the reign of each it says it is "forever and ever".
In other words it is only your arbitrary preference that you choose to apply the logic to the Son but not to Jehovah God.
I need something more than just your arbitrary whim to make temporariness of reign apply to one and not to the other.
27 Dec 17
Originally posted by @sonshipGood luck to you. .. hope you figure it out.
If the Son has a throne [b]"forever and ever" (Heb. 1:8) YET His reign is only temporary THEN it follows that you could also say that Jehovah is King "forever and ever" (Psalm 10:16) but His reign is only temporary as well.
With the same amount of logic one's reign is temporary as the other's reign is temporary though concerning t ...[text shortened]... than just your arbitrary whim to make temporariness of reign apply to one and not to the other.[/b]