What's so hard about 'not sinning'?

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Many people believe in God because of what they see in nature.

Many people believe in Jesus because of what is recorded in the Bible, because of the testimonies of other believers, historical evidence, archeological evidence etc. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. That's why the Bible warns, "when you hear the word of God do not harden your heart."

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What about the unbeliever that has heard the gospel of Christ and rejected it? If they are judged in the same way as those who have not heard the gospel, then what is the point of sending the disciples into the world?

Again Christ will judge specific unbelievers.and why they 'rejected' Him. Christ will know ... not you or me.

From what you have said so far Im sure that what you call a rejection of Christ is different from what the Bible refers to as a rejection of Christ.

The view of the Bible - If a man says 'I believe in Christ', 'I believe that Christ existed' or 'I believe that Christ died for me' and then this man proceeds to live in a manner which is contrary to the teachings of Christ then this man has in effect rejected Christ, although he says otherwise.

The typical view of churches and Christians in general - If a man says 'I believe in Christ', 'I believe that Christ existed' or 'I believe that Christ died for me', then this man accepts Christ and is saved. His subsequent conduct and lifestyle is of no relevance.

According to the Bible it is your lifestyle that determines your acceptance of Christ. Not your words.

As for your other question of what is the point of sending disciples into the world - there are some who are able to live righteously even though they have never heard of Christ .... SOME. That means not all. Hence the work of preaching to those who dont or cannot is important.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Believing in God does not mean you automatically believe in Jesus.

Jesus sent his disciples into the world to preach the gospel.

Mark 16:15 - And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

So why would Jesus se ...[text shortened]... the gospel if people who had not heard of Jesus could still be saved without hearing about him.

It is interesting that you ignore the subsequent verses where Jesus states what would be the signs that would tell you that someone is a believer:

And these signs shall follow them that believe;
- In my name shall they cast out devils; - they shall speak with new tongues;
- They shall take up serpents; and
- if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
- they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:17-18 KJV)

I know of people.. fanatics I call them .. that have tried to prove that Christ is with them and they drank poison and they died. I guess that proves that they are not believers in Christ.

Are you a believer? Yes? Can you do the things Christ said you should be able to do?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Romans sir.

'Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law,since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them.'

Edit. - If you like I could come to your doorstep and explain it to you?

Where is the part that they can live righteously as you have claimed?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
The bible itself says that 'doing good and living righteously is already written in the hearts of unbelievers.'

Do you reject this part of the bible?

(And for your edification, just because God's righteousness is written on the heart of an unbeliever, doesn't mean that unbeliever is going to adhere to his heart or not lead a sinful life. - You're the one after all who was banging on about freewill).

The point is everyone has sinned. And no one can live 'righteously' all the time. No one denies that every living person has a God given conscience.

Originally posted by Rajk999
It is interesting that you ignore the subsequent verses where Jesus states what would be the signs that would tell you that someone is a believer:

[i]And these signs shall follow them that believe;
- In my name shall they cast out devils; - they shall speak with new tongues;
- They shall take up serpents; and
- if they drink any deadly thing, it sha ...[text shortened]... Christ.

Are you a believer? Yes? Can you do the things Christ said you should be able to do?

"Those who do not believe will be condemned." Jesus spoke those words. If you believe what Jesus said to be true why are you claiming that those who do not believe will not be condemned?

Also, you always quote Matthew 25, but nowhere does it say that the righteous were unbelievers.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
[b]"Those who do not believe will be condemned." Jesus spoke those words. If you believe what Jesus said to be true why are you claiming that those who do not believe will not be condemned?

Also, you always quote Matthew 25, but nowhere does it say that the righteous were unbelievers.[/b]

Neither did Jesus say that the righteous were believers. Jesus said that the righteous were those who did certain things.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Where is the part that they can live righteously as you have claimed?

'When Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires...'


God's law requires that people live righteous lives. Did you not know this?! According to Romans, unbelievers (Gentiles) have this law written on their hearts and can live righteously (do what the law requires of them) through nature and according to their conscience.

Or is your position that Gentiles who 'do what the law requires' (and we are speaking of God's law) can do so unrighteously?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
The point is everyone has sinned. And no one can live 'righteously' all the time. No one denies that every living person has a God given conscience.

What do you mean 'No one denies that every living person has a God given conscience?'

Do you not think atheists might deny this, that a God they do not believe exists is the reason they have a conscience?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
'When Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires...'


God's law requires that people live righteous lives. Did you not know this?! According to Romans, unbelievers (Gentiles) have this law written on their hearts and can live righteously (do what the law requires of them) through nature and according to their conscience ...[text shortened]... tiles who 'do what the law requires' (and we are speaking of God's law) can do so unrighteously?

Of course everyone can obey their conscience from time to time, but that doesn't make them righteous, Because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
What do you mean 'No one denies that every living person has a God given conscience?'

Do you not think atheists might deny this, that a God they do not believe exists is the reason they have a conscience?

No Christian will deny this because it's written in the Bible.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
No Christian will deny this because it's written in the Bible.

You didn't say 'no Christian.' You said 'no person.'

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You didn't say 'no Christian.' You said 'no person.'

Yes I should have specified.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
No Christian will deny this because it's written in the Bible.

So you take a literal understanding of what is written in the bible?